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Football clubs 'in poor financial health'

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  1. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    On BBC site. Survey shows Of 68 teams surveyed in the three leagues, 13 have signs of distress such as serious court actions against them, including winding-up petitions, late filing of accounts and "serious" negative balances on their balance sheets.

    The financially distressed clubs include three in the Championship, six in League One and four in League Two.

    Clearly its the skates and I assume Coventry. Anyone any idea on the third Championship club?
     
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  2. Tony Montana

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    West ham?
     
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  3. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    If they don't go up then next seasion defo but not sure it's them yet.
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    It's not just being in debt...it's about not being able to service debt. WHU may not be flush, but doubt they are in real trouble in the short term...though that could change if they don't get promoted in next couple of years. Could it be Bristol City or Doncaster?
     
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  5. Itchen North Matt

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    Leicester maybe? Their wage bill is huge and the owners may well be frustrated with their league position.
     
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  6. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Doncaster could be the ones. Their wa=ge bill must have rocketed with the expensive players like Diouff and we didnt pay a fortune for Billy!
     
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    Birmingham isn't it. Didn't they bring in a few loanees, including Huseklepp from Pompey, just prior to them having a transfer embargo applied due to their accounts being filed late.
     
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    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Good spot had forgotten that.
     
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  9. Saintly-DCM

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    Yeah, it's Birmingham I think. It said in the article that they classify failing to file accounts on time as being in financial distress which is what Birmingham did (or didn't)!
     
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  10. SaintJabie

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    Ye-owch. And Brum were playing in Europe at the top of this season too!

    Presuming the top 2 are Saints and Reading. It's likely that the play-offs will feature Brum and Wham (a combination which sounds like two of the lesser-known characters from The Flintstones) If they don't make the Premiership, at least one of those outfits is going to be in serious hot water next year.
     
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  11. OddRiverOakWizards

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    I think it is Doncaster because their crowds are so low. Most of their players are in on loans or on short contracts where they are paid 2,000 per week to 'showcase' their talents. For example Ilunga is on 27,000 at West Ham who is on loan at Doncaster who are contributing 2,000 towards his wages; but West Ham then have him playing hoping that scouts will be interested.

    Birmingham are financially ok because of Europe (not Carson Yeungs laundered money - allegedly!), the ban on them signing players was a mistake on the club for not submitting account details in time.

    While we are on this thread, can I say well done to Yeovil who posted a 21,000 pound profit today; a really well run club punching above their weight :).
     
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  13. fran-MLs little camera

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    They were discussing this on Sky. No one should be allowed to run up such huge debts...whilst signing players on huge wages. Taxes should never be allowed to run up in such a manner. Tax is paid first in all other companies, because it's regarded as the one you can't escape. If there is evidence of knowlingly running an insolvent company over a long period, criminal charges should be brought...that would make a few people in football sit up and take notice.
     
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  14. Saints Fan4Life

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    As soon as I read it, I thought Birmginham, Coventry and Fish
     
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  15. Rik Le Tiss

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    Hi folks - a colleague emailed me this today:


    WHY I SHALL BE ESPECIALLY GRUMPY THIS SATURDAY AFTERNOON
    By John Beech, from his blog at http://footballmanagement.wordpress.com

    "Football clubs 'in poor financial health'" a headline on the BBC News
    website has just screamed. Apparently "many clubs are continuing to spend
    too much, principally on players' wages, as they always have done". What?
    Surely not? Well, OK, the said headline was in the business section of the
    BBC website rather than their sports section.

    Begbies Traynor, who over the years have been Administrators of Chester
    City, Kingstonian, Lincoln City, Huddersfield Town, Northwich Victoria,
    Wrexham, Farnborough Town, Crawley Town, Scarborough, Bournemouth, Halifax
    Town, Southampton, and now Port Vale, have just completed a survey looking
    at the finances of Football League clubs.

    Beneath the trite headline, there was some detail of interest.

    "Of 68 teams surveyed in those Divisions, 13 have signs of distress such as
    serious court actions against them, including winding-up petitions, late
    filing of accounts and "serious" negative balances on their balance sheets.
    That 19% compares to just 1% in the wider economy, the firm said."

    In particular "the financially distressed clubs include three in the
    Championship, six in League One and four in League Two." Obviously the
    survey had been completed under conditions of confidentiality, so we can
    only speculate on which these thirteen clubs might be that are under
    short-term financial pressure, a temptation which I will resist, at least
    publically.

    There are also the clubs which, to me, have potentially longer-term
    pressures because they operate on business models which may not be
    sustainable. Two which have caught my eye with their recent publication of
    financial results are one likely to be relegated to the Championship, Wigan,
    and one about to be promoted out of the Football League, Southampton.

    At Wigan, turnover was reported as up 16% on the previous year, although
    this, it was conceded, was "mainly due to the increased Premier League
    broadcasting rights contract". Worryingly though, net losses had risen from
    GBP4m to GBP7.2m.

    Wigan fans might take some comfort from the fact that: "Net debt including
    bank borrowings and loans from David Whelan and his family remained
    virtually unchanged at GBP72.2m compared with GBP72.6m in the previous year.
    Since the year end GBP48m of debt was converted to equity which
    significantly reduces the club's long-term liabilities."

    Chief Executive Jonathan Jackson commented: "This position would not have
    been possible without the continued financial support of Chairman, David
    Whelan. The post year end conversion of debt to equity has significantly
    strengthened the club's financial position and has, to a very significant
    extent, written off the debt owed to Mr Whelan. The club cannot continue to
    make losses every year and we are continuing to shape all aspects of the
    club to ensure the long-term future remains positive both on and off the
    pitch."

    Perhaps just a hint there that Mr Whelan's pockets are not bottomless. It
    was he who has called for control on players' wages. It was Wigan that
    managed to hit a wages/revenues ratio of an utterly unsustainable 208.3% in
    2004/05 (posting passim).

    Meanwhile over at Southampton another 'debt for equity' conversion was
    reported last Thursday. The estate of former owner Markus Liebherr had
    'invested' GBP33m over two seasons but had now converted these loans into
    shares. (My reason for putting single quotes around 'invested' is that I do
    not see loans as investments. If I had pushed my credit cards to their
    spending limits, would I talk in terms of MasterCard and Visa investing
    heavily in me?). This conversion certainly takes the financial pressure off
    a club which last season made a net loss of GBP11m in gaining promotion from
    League 1.

    The Liebherr family seem to be in that rare group of benefactors which
    includes Steve Gibson at Middlesbrough - those prepared to dig into their
    pockets deep and for the long term. At Middlesbrough the club is "now free
    from debt owed to external providers".

    Looking along the South Coast from the perspective of a long-suffering
    Pompey fan (but who is number 1 a football fan rather than a club fan), a
    club in deep, deep trouble not least because it is still paying some players
    Premier League wages as it faces the drop, my eye caught on the
    wages/revenues ratio at Southampton, a very high 93%.

    This counter-evidence in the discourse over the financial strengths and
    weakness of clubs is hardly typical. While few clubs, correction, no English
    clubs, are as financially distressed as Portsmouth, the Begbies Traynor
    report paints a more typical picture.

    As Portsmouth head for Southampton this Saturday, to be 'entertained' as the
    media like to phrase it, I'll not be building my hopes up for a surprise
    Pompey victory. The earlier derby this season may have been a draw, but
    Portsmouth now have a depleted squad, forced upon them by their financial
    circumstances (and as one might well argue, not before time). No, I'll be
    quietly fuming on the absurdity that the outcome on the pitch will have been
    determined ultimately by the lottery of how rich and how committed your
    club's benefactor has been. It may be a football match, but it certainly is
    being played in a context of competitive balance. One club has been the
    subject of heavy financial doping, and is paying the price, and one is the
    subject of financial doping, but has so far kept the 'habit' under control.
    One is a savage indictment of the failings of the benefactor model, and the
    other is fortunate enough to be able to say 'OK so far'.

    If any good at all is to come out of the 'basket case' circumstances
    Portsmouth finds itself in, it will be through a new and more sustainable
    financial model, which is why I fully support the community share offer from
    the Pompey Supporters Trust. Post-commercial era football has totally lost
    it way. Clubs have become the playthings of sugar daddies, and have, as in
    the cases of Portsmouth and Southampton, sugar daddies with no local
    connection. Ownership has become a lottery, and fans have been betrayed as a
    consequence. Football governance looks as it will receive only light-touch
    reform, but that is insufficient to set it back on a road where the results
    of games are determined in a context of competitive balance. Financial Fair
    Play, whatever the extent to which it will actually prove successful, is a
    no brainer. And fan ownership is the only way to ensure clubs are a part of
    the community whose name they are happy, and proud, to identify themselves
    by.
     
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