Well both Jozy and Fletch have been ****e in front of goal, but how have the team performed with them on the pitch? While fletcher has been on the pitch we've scored 14 goals. Fletch has made a total of 23 appearances While Jozy has been on the pitch we've scored 34 goals. Jozy has made a total of 32 appearances Even more interesting, of the 14 goals with Fletch in the team, only 7 goals were scored when fletcher didn't have Jozy on the pitch with him, 2 of those 7 were penalties and 1 of the 7 was an own goal. Make of that what you will gentlemen.
Fletcher is under performing and out of touch but is a class striker at his best whereas Jozy is performing at his normal level which is way below premiership quality.
But your sentiment is echoed in the fact we paid 10 million for Fletcher and five million for Altidore. But why are the goals flowing when Jozy plays and not much while Fletcher plays? It's well established that neither of them can hit a barn door this season, but shouldn't we be more inclined to play the player who is bring the best out of the rest of the team? These stats show me Jozy should be 2nd choice and Fletcher 3rd choice. Obviously Borini is first choice, he's better player than both of the other two put together and he's only 22. Remember, our survival is going to rest on these sort of selection issues.
strange, i use to think fletcher was a quality player.. i distinctively remember watching your palace away game on tv.. fletcher came on and i said to my self.. this is fletchers element and he duly scored.. but honestly.. he's got the quality.. but i believe in the quote ' mind over matter', i just don't believe fletcher has the attitude to make it further.. as a scotland fan.. he's such a what could have been.. we just don't get excited if the starts. BUT we should be... like.. i should of been worried he was starting today.. but instead if was glad.. it's a big shame for my personally, i thought he would make a temporary step up for scotland, but he didn't really honestly do that.. i'll be honest about altidore.... he played exactly like he did for us, like he is for us.. his goal scoring/app for us and you lot, are incredibly similar.. but then in holland, he scored a great amount.. i JUST don't believe ANY player can go from scoring the net that frequently, to the way he is now.. i just DON'T understand it.. when we signed him, his goalscoring was much worse than it was pre your signing.. he is a very strong lad.. but i'm to the thinking.. some players just don't adapt to certain football.. maybe altidores is english top flight football? he's very talented.. but at this level, especially lower half, you can't sacrifice a forward for a player like altidore.. it's baffling tbh
I'll be honest, I don't think fletcher can play the system. He's been asked to play proper football and he's been found out, Gus found a way to fit Jozy into a system where he comes short while his strike partners either side pushed on. It did ok but now Jozy's all round game has faulted which has made him a useless as Fletch. Borini will keep us up. He's faster, more hungry, harder working, has better movement, has a better finish and simply looks a different class compared to the others.
I knew this all season but well done for doing the dirty work. let's hope gus & Altidore make up because if they don't then we are ****.
Sehr interessant. I thought Fletch was gash yesterday, not that the overall team performance was any good.
And that my friend is what I've been saying all season. The team play better when Jozy is upfront and he brings players into the game high up the pitch where they can make an impact. We'd have seen better from Giaccherini and Scocco yesterday with Altidore central taking heat off them. Even the argument that Fletcher is a better finisher isn't convincing, one on ones against Everton Villa and the wembley howler show where he's at this season.
Be interesting to see if some posters read the op and avoid this tread like a Tory mp dodging an uncomfortable question.
Good post BB, my slant on it is that at the moment both Altidore and Fletcher are too slow in thought and action, with Altidore it seems to be standard with Fletcher it is a worry and beggining to look like he has lost it for one reason or another. We have been let down with our player recruitment in recent years by a succession of very poor scouts and managers, and it looks increasingly like the chickens are coming home to roost.
Agree 100% Bri - Completely. I rate Fletcher as a striker but I think he is struggling with the system. Fitness may also be an issue as he's had a lot of time on the sidelines this season. He has looked way off most of the time. Has scored 3 goals though including one against the mags - scoires more but "creates" less than Altidore - but neither look anywhere near what we need at this moment. Hoping Borini is the central striker at the weekend
I'll answer it Parker, it's bullshit! Before I go any further, I want to say both of these aren't fit to wear our shirt. I'm not a big fan of stats as they can be distorted and they aren't guaranteed to tell the true picture. These stats will go in Jozys favour as he has started more games than Fletcher, quite a few of Fletcher's 'appearances' will have been as a substitute with less playing time, so less time to make an impact.
This is like arguing over ****ing Aldi and Netto. Both ****e and I don't know why anyone would defend either of them. Fletcher's record proves he's done it at premier level but that was then and this is now. He would be a decent championship striker. Altidore has had about 50 premier league games and has scored twice. I'm not even sure he would make a good championship striker...
It's not bullshit mate it's fact. I didn't sit for half an hour making this up, I spent half an hour going through every single game comparing every goal with time spent on the pitch, I've even taken into account the goals in relation to substitutions, If you don't believe me check yourself. I presented the stats neutrally and asked everyone to make what they will. I didn't expect anybody to make me out to be a liar though. If you think it's bullshit fair enough, cheers for that, glad my efforts are appreciated But for your information those facts are spot on 100%. It would be nice if you could accept them for what they are, honest actuate stats and instead take issue with people's interpretations which is where the debate lies. I'm just trying to encourage debate, I'm no lair blood.
It was his 6th game and first goals for them though... Even Altidore has scored in a league game this season Imagine our forward line of: --- Graham --- Altidore --- --------- Fletcher ----------
You've completely took that the wrong way. I don't doubt the stats presented are true. My problem is with stats and the way some stats can be presented in different ways to favour certain situations, you can normally dig deeper on most stats presented and find a case for them to favour the other. No problem with you fella, I'm just not a fan of stats, Altidore or Fletcher
Fair do fella. I'm not a fan of fan of Altidore or Fletcher either. Love stats though and the debate the cause What's the plans for your B'Day like fella?
