I've sat down after the past couple of days of what can only be described as utter turmoil and tried to put a handle on how I think these events have manifested themselves so here goes..... 1. Ellis Short. There are a lot of opinions on here about our Chairman and my thoughts are only another opinion. I think this guy does have the club at heart but he is trying to run the club as he does his other businesses. A lot on here call him tight with his money but he has spent a lot over the years he's been here, not all wisely mind and his appointments not only at Manager level are questionable, he has failed to surround himself with 'football' men, at board room level ie Maggie out of her depth for a long time before he got rid. Hopefully Bain will come good but he's had a very difficult start. For me the jury is still out on Ellis, however if you look at some other clubs ie Cardiff, Hull to mention two if Ellis was to sell up we could end up with a real nutter running the club. 2. Sam Allardyce. The club are viewed as being extremely unlucky to loose Sam to the England job. However was there something in the background that Sam wasn't happy about that made him jump. I'm thinking about a Tranfer fund ( or lack of it). Which leads us,back to Ellis. Or was it just he couldn't resist taking the England job, I personally go with the second scenario. However Sam leaving leads me onto point three. 3. David Moyes. Ellis claims he tried five times to land Moyes and has finally got his man. The players at first were toeing the line saying pleasant things about the new boss, which I'm sure are true but we've been hit with some awful problems during this window. Is it a case of greedy players/ unhappy players or is there anything to suggest it's Moyes himself whose ways are causing players to want to jump ship. I think given time Moyes will get things sorted, we've got rid of nearly all the deadwood and now he's dealing with those who don't seem happy to stay. We can only fully comment when the window closes and we then know whose in/out but Moyes hasn't a lot of time left. 4. French Players. Over the past two seasons we've been happy to take the rise out of our neighbours as they bought a lot of French players who were either not up to the mark or caused the club problems. Well this has come round and now bitten us in the behind. Kone, Kaboul & possibly Khasri are making waves and we could loose all three, I don't want players here who don't want to be here no matter how good they are. Is it just the French mind set, or are there other reasons behind all these problems? 5. Fans. There has been such a lot of negativity on this,board recently and I include myself in that. I've supported this,club since 1959 and cannot recall anything remotely close to the goings on we are experiencing at present. We have to hope that the club will sort this mess out, we get players signed in the next 10 days or so and WE fans step up as we always,have and get behind the players when they get onto that pitch. I know it's an old saying but players and managers come and go but us fans remain permanent, we will carry this club forward whichever league we happen to find ourselves in which obviously we all hope is the Premier League. Sorry if this is a bit long but I just had to get it written down and hope to draw a line under these last few days and move onwards and upwards.
6 Transfer Windows. The most telling for me, stumbling from one window to the next investing the bare minimum has led to us never being able to cope with the problems thrown up by the next. January aside, where we got some quality but even not the quantity so again we've struggled. We've done it with every transfer window since Short has become chairman and doesn't it show? Plugged with loans or leaving gaps in the squad every window has bitten us in the arse constantly and makes life difficult for us. Weak half measured windows is a major player for me. We can never cope the following window, it's a pattern which as much a constant as Short himself.
Think I read somewhere that he was signed too late for Watford to consider him for the Chelsea match, the way the result went I think he was worth a gamble.
Lack of management in the board room with years of re-active firefighting rather than forward thinking, that's why we are still in a mess.
Number 7. Debt Management. According to the tables below (taken from the Daily Mail)we are £39m in debt and a loss of £16.9m for last financial year. Obviously this will have changed as we've had another season, but surely the club are not in that bad a financial situation that we can't afford to invest FFS? If you listen to Moyes, we are shopping for scraps and can't compete with the other teams, why??? can anyone explain to me cos I'm at a loss to understand why. Is Short using the money to pay off the debt? are we STILL financing players who are no longer at the club? as in the past. Is Short recouping his investments? WTF am I missing? Manchester United are still able to attract star players such as Angel di Maria and Juan Mata to Old Trafford despite being in debt because they continue to make the most income in the Barclays Premier League. The Old Trafford outfit are in £342million of debt which has lingered at the club since the Glazer takeover back in May 2005. However the Premier giants are able to compete for the world's best players because they remain a global attraction. please log in to view this image SHARE PICTURE Copy link to paste in your message +3 Arsenal Income: £298.7m (MD £100.2m,TV: £120.8m, Com £77.7m) Wages: £166.4m (56% of income) Pre-tax profit: £3.8m Debt: £240.5m Healthy revenues easily cover ‘good debt’ borrowed for stadium. Will allow regular star buys like Alexis Sanchez. Aston Villa Income: £116.9m (MD £12.8m, TV £72.7m, Com £31.4m) Wages: £69m (59% of income) Pre-tax loss: £3m Debt: £104m Continue to struggle on the pitch after budget cuts by Randy Lerner, whose loans keep them afloat. Dread the drop. Burnley Income: £19.6m (MD £3.9m, TV £11.9m, Com £3.8m) Wages: £16m (82% of income) Pre-tax loss: £7.6m Debt: £8m Well run, only lost cash last season through promotion bonuses. Will earn much more this term. Chelsea Income: £320m (MD £71m, TV £140m, Com £109m) Wages: £193m (60% of income) Pre-tax profit: £19.1m Debt: £958m Diego Costa and Cesc Fabregas are playing key roles as Chelsea cement status as a powerhouse on and off the pitch. Crystal Palace Income: £96m (MD £11m, TV £74m, Com £11m) Wages: £38m (40% of income) Pre-tax profit: £20m Debt: £7m Steve Parish wants new investment to take Palace ‘to the next level’. They’re slowly becoming secure in the Premier League. Everton Income: £120.5m (MD £19.3m, TV £88.5m, Com £12.7m) Wages: £69m (57% of income) Pre-tax profit: £28.2m Debt: £28m As with their £28m record signing Romelu Lukaku, fans expect more than they’re getting this season. Hull Income: £84.4m (MD £7.4m, TV £68m, Com £9m) Wages: £39m (46% of income) Pre-tax profit: £3.3m Debt: £71m Assem Allam has amassed debt and caused controversy in trying to stabilise Hull but has invested heavily to improve the squad. Leicester Income: £23m (Breakdown of Leicester’s income unclear) Wages: £30m (130% of income) Pre-tax loss: £20m Debt: £103m Financial picture is as clear as their survival chances — not good. Loss-making, dependent on owners. Liverpool Income: £255.6m (MD £50.9m, TV £100.9m, Com £103.8m) Wages: £144m (56% of income) Pre-tax profit: £5.5m Debt: £127m Chaos of the previous era is receding as the finances stabilise and Brendan Rodgers is given time to build. Man City Income: £346.5m (MD £47.5m, TV £133.2m, Com £165.8m) Wages: £205m (59% of income) Pre-tax loss: £17.7m Debt: £67m Still losing money despite TV cash and Middle East income. Buys like £42.5m flop Eliaquim Mangala don’t help. Man Utd Income: £433.1m (MD £108.1m, TV £135.7m, Com £189.3m) Wages: £215m (50% of income) Pre-tax profit: £67.9m Debt: £342m Debt lingers from Glazer deal but income still allows top signings like £59.7m Angel di Maria. Newcastle Income: £130m (Full breakdown of income unavailable) Wages: £60m (46% of income) Pre-tax profit: £40m Debt: £129m Mike Ashley spent more than intended early on. It’s all about survival as cheaply as possible. QPR Income: £38.7m (MD £5.6m, TV £28m, Com £5.1m) Wages: £75m (194% of income) Pre-tax loss: £9.8m (after £60m ‘exceptional’ item) Debt: £120m The outstanding basket case in the top flight, in disarray after years of mismanagement. Southampton Income: £104.9m (MD £17.1m, TV £79.5m, Com £8.3m) Wages: £62.9m (60% of income) Pre-tax profit: £31.4m Debt: £57m Surprise package on and off the pitch, Ronald Koeman helping continue an amazing turnaround since 2009 administration. Stoke Income: £98m (MD £8m, TV £76m, Com £14m) Wages: £61m (62% of income) Pre-tax profit: £3.8m Debt: £28m Seventh straight season in the League, aspiring to greater on-pitch achievements on solid fiscal footing. Sunderland Income: £101m (MD £16m,TV £72m, Com £13m) Wages: £68m (67% of income) Pre-tax loss: £16.3m Debt: £39m Dick Advocaat has to save not just a season but stop a drop that could trigger meltdown. Swansea Income: £98.7m (MD £9.2m, TV £80.7m, Com £8.8m) Wages: £63m (64% of income) Pre-tax profit: £1.3m Debt: None Stable, fan-owned, debt-free, mid-table and looking up, Swansea are a model of ‘small-club’ potential. Tottenham Income: £181m (MD £44m, TV £95m, Com £42m) Wages: £105m (58% of income) Pre-tax profit: £36m Debt: Zero Daniel Levy drives a hard bargain. He also runs a tight ship. In shape to challenge the top four. West Brom Income: £86.8m (MD £7m, TV £69m, Com £10.8m) Wages: £66m (76% of income) Pre-tax profit: £12.8m Debt: £1m Few fans like prudence but West Brom are well run, posting consistent profits as they gradually grow. West Ham Income: £114.9m (MD £19.5m, TV £75.4m, Com £20m) Wages: £64m (56% of income) Pre-tax profit: £15.3m Debt: £110m Owners like to say club can be title challengers in five years — but they need a partial sale to clear debt first. KEY TO CLUB-BY-CLUB GUIDE: MD = match day income; TV = all broadcasting income; Com = commercial, retail and other income. † In Championship last season. * Some elements estimated. United spend 50 per cent of their income on wages with the likes of Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie and Di Maria all earning over £250,000 a week. Chelsea's debt to Roman Abramovich is approaching £1billion, while Tottenham and Swansea are completely debt-free. Arsenal have been able to complete deals to sign the likes of Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil in recent years as healthy revenues easily cover 'good debt' borrowed for their stadium move. please log in to view this image SHARE PICTURE Copy link to paste in your message +3 Manchester United are able to attract star names such as Angel di Maria because they make the most amount of income in the Premier League please log in to view this image SHARE PICTURE Copy link to paste in your message +3 Chelsea's debt to Roman Abramovich, pictured during his side's victory parade in May 2012, is approaching £1billion Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3016432/Club-club-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html#ixzz4I2sXvxj9 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
I would like to see him get injured. Don't wish that on many players but he's on that list now. He can do his ACL on his debut and never play again and I'd laugh my arse off! He deserves nothing from us fans as he's **** on us from a great height - homesick my arse - if he's "homesick" why hasn;t he gone back to France?
(Edit button cumbrian!!) Aye people have called me nasty names for saying it on FB but a player who is homesick should **** off home not down to London. There's an airport up the road. He can fly home when he's off. Bet he wouldn;t be homesick if we'd offered him £150k a week!
Striking players eh. Guess where he ended up next Southampton striker Kenwyne Jones refuses to play in match against Stoke because he wants a move out of St Marys. Derby County want the forward for £5 million.
Can;t get my head around this - Compare us to Stoke Sunderland Turnover £101m Wages 68m Difference 33m Loss 16m Where is that £49m from? Stoke Turnover 98m Wages 61m Difference 37m Profit 3.8m Used those 2 as they're the closest I can find numbers wise - Outside of wages, Stoke spend £33m - we spend £49m Southampton on the other hand spend less than 11m and make a £30m profit to boot?? HOW THE **** IS THIS POSSIBLE!!! (I'm shouting at myself btw as, being logically and mathematically minded, I just can;t work it out!)
6 years ago Crystal Palace were in administration. Now they buy for £32m.. Just over 1/2 of our gates. They doing something incredibly right - or more likely we being incredibly wrong
2 years old that piece, and the figures are based on the finances which had been released for the year prior to that so 3 years old. Not saying they're irrelevant but I think others on your board have posted more recent and applicable figures and I think your debt (and everyone elses) has gone up a fair chunk since then. Your wages much surely have gone down though - the amount of trash you've cleared out. Allardyce did give many big contracts out to players when he was with us (Smith, Viduka, Barton, Enrique all signed by him and some of our top earners) but didn't get the impression the January signings were on mega-bucks.
Yes mate, you are missing something. You've used the tabloid with the misprint. https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/s...ebt-revealed-sportgalleries/Sunderland-139229 http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/sunderland-all-cats-are-grey.html
