Well it looks like MM has kept this one under wraps http://www.itfc.co.uk/news/article/town-sign-kisnorbo-576231.aspx Not too sure what to make of it, particularly as another loan but I remember he used to be fairly handy but unsure whether injuries have taken their toll. also it feels a little wrong to be taking Leeds' fringe players but I imagine he'll act as good cover for Chambo & Smith and atleast add a little more steel and experience to the ranks
Short term loan to add cover while Big Mick sorts out his Perm deals without having to panic buy seems a smart move to me...
Positives - championship experience, cover in an area we are lacking, decent reputation Negatives - another loan (any other - possibly the fact he is a fringe player for another club at the same level but all clubs have strong and weak areas so hard to call) worries - dont know about current form and fitness. Overall seems a nice steady addition to the club.
Hasn't been the same for us since his injury, but was player of the year in our League 1 promotion season (ahead of the likes of Beckford, Becchio, Snodgrass, Gradel and Howson) and the epitome of a tough, committed centre back. While our defence hasn't been brilliant as a unit, we have Lees, Tate and Pearce at CB with Peltier available for cover so he was always going to find it hard to break into the team.
Makes sense to have some short term cover while Mick is looking for a permanent option. Richard Stearman would be a good shout as he wants out of Wolves!
When we had him he was a very good defender. The reason we let him go was because he has 2 very bad knees. Both have cost him alot of time of his career. Always a threat in the box aswell
pleased with this, injuries being the oly concern. At 31 the right age too. Though Smith and Chambers have formed a decent partnership, competition for places is essential. Also, can they both maintain it longer term.....? Still very unsure re Smith I must say! " Negatives - another loan " I couldn't disagree with this any more. Simply because Roy Keane and Paul Jewell had no clue how the loan system works, doesn't mean McCarthy is as clueless. Bradley Orr hasn't been bad has he........... I agree the core of the squad is the area to work with, however, loans such as N'daw for a season, or DJ Campbell when we were crying out for a striker are not to be sniffed at.
If you were meaning to put a question mark at the end of those full stops then I'll answer it for you. He's been bang average and a liability at times, however he has proved to be useful in balancing the side a bit and we have put in some good performances with him in the side so I certainly don't have any gripes with him being here (for now) As for the comments regarding loans. I certainly see the justifications as it could also be viewed as an extended trial (which is what I think it is) but I imagine had this have been Jewell making this signing regardless of who it was it would have been met with comments of "Clown," "lost the plot," "act of a desperate man" etc. which just goes to show what a strange old game football really is in this day and age. But good luck to Paddy and hopefully he will prove to be a shrewd piece of business
The only reason I said a loan was a negative is because it would be nice to have an ITFC first team squad which is contractually ours. Not a problem having the odd loan or a loan with a view to a longer contract but when you have to juggle your match day squad because we had so many loans not all of them could play at once it was a sign of worry for me! Obviously this situation has now changed with Higgs/ DJ going and possibly others as well but I am hoping MM is allowed to build a squad that he wants (on a realistic budget) that means we dont have to worry about recall clause/ what happens in 30 days and what happens in 3 months!
If you remember years ago we played you at your place and we had a player wrongfully sent off. That was Kisnorbo and we won the appeal afterwards
Shame we didn't sign him a few years ago not over the moon about this, seems a bit of a sticking plaster to me but then it's needed tbh so fair play MM at getting it sorted asap!!
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction considering N'daw and DJ were PJ loan signings?? I haven't been overly impressed with Orr tbh, he does however and KOPR says given us a bit of balance generally due to the fact he is an actual RB but other than that he looks pretty slow and not great on the ball. I geuss it wouldn't be the end of the world if he signed but I don't think he will be the long term answer, hopefully Hewitt will be!!
" Isn't that a bit of a contradiction considering N'daw and DJ were PJ loan signings?? " I'm going to say no, it isn't. Don't forget Jewell messed N'daw around, and I actually had a feeling the loan deal may well have been terminated unless it wasn't able to be. Jewell did gain us some good players, for example Cresswell. However, he completely relied on loaning players. He was incompetent at signing who he wanted on a permanent basis, and neglected areas of the squad that needed URGENTLT addressing! Sure, he sometimes got it right ie N'daw. However, he had the entire summer to address the striker issue yet didn't. Great he brought Campbell in sure, after completely not sorting out the problem in the first place! McCarthy has so far used the loan system very cleverly, signing a right back which we desperately required, and a CB for cover/ MAYBE more.
I think it's a bit unfair on PJ actually. And looking back to when he first took over, it's actually not much different to the situation we find ourselves in now, lets not forgot Jewell did a great job when he first took over and gave our team a real lift and like MM everybody was saying it was exactly what we needed and a breath of fresh air and with the loan signing of Bullard we finally had a manager who could attract quality etc etc. Personally I do believe MM will do better than PJ because he keeps it simple and doesn't run before we can walk (something PJ was guilty of trying to do!!) I actually think PJ was a very good spotter of a talanted player that was not his problem, infact I think he has the edge over MM in that area and I think it's a little harsh to put the blame on him for our poor recruitment this summer. It seemed to me that he had targets but the club were playing real hard ball and we missed out alot due to not wanting to pay over the odds particularly in wages, I'd say ME realised he made a mistake and hence leaving PJ little option but to then get in all the loans and he now seems more willing to do so for MM. I would say though it seems MM is much better a prioriticising as he got in a RB straight away and has managed maybe not to solve the CB problem but get one in pretty quick. He also spotted that we needed a target man and got in Barnett, PJ didn't even attempt to get players in in these positions despite us needing them because he wanted to get the 'right' player in but in the situation we've been in sometimes we just needed players. It's a bit far to say MM has used the loan system very cleverly so far, not overly impressed by Orr and I think Kisnorbo is a sticking plaster signing, although despite not overly impressing I thought Barnett could've been a decent bit of business. You have to give him credit though for identifying the problem and at least getting the players in quickly!!
some people seem to be incapable of debate, the sun is shining or it's the end of the world!! I geuss when the world's like this you can only say one thing or the other and no debate can be had........decisions taken on merits and all that!!
