Well after some thoughts on whether he is going to be coming back to us, I know it's been done to death and there are different opinions on his contract etc, well that is not relevant as we don't know the wording of the contract, so no point going there . But the swans are to name their 25 man squad on Thursday , do you see him being named ? We are about to learn his fate for at least until January, think to be honest we are going to learn whether his career is over or not, do you think there is a chance we will see him in the premier league at all ?
Well I must admit that this last setback has been a wake up call for me, and while I would love to see him in the Prem playing for us, i think it's looking more and more like a pipe dream, so as far as I see it, he'll not be named in the 25 man squad, and I doubt he will be in January either, so much for his top surgeon!! Painter is playing well for Brighton, after the same injury, makes you think aye??................. please log in to view this image
With all due respect, DPJ, the comparison of Bodde and Painter's injury is completely irrelevant, and your dig at his "top surgeon" just displays your ignorance on the subject. Apologies for getting so hot under the collar about this, but as someone who's suffered two separate ACL injuries and subsequently failed reconstructions, it is an emotive subject for me. Both of my operations were carried out by My Mark Holt, who is widely considered to be one of the top knee surgeons in the Uk, and it would be ridiculous of me to blame him for these failures as his record of successful operations speaks for itself. I am just one of the unlucky ones, as it appears Bodde may be as well. Two people can suffer the exact same injury, have exactly the same operation and recovery process, and still ultimately end up with different results, such is the differing physiology of the human body. I've said it many times before, and I shall say it again, there is absolutely no reason why Bodde cannot make a full recovery from these unfortunate injuries. The length of time that he has been absent for is not representative of the injuries severity. It generally takes around 9 months to recover from an ACL reconstruction, and so having had three injuries, 25 -30 months out would be about right. Take into account that during this period, he will inevitably have suffered slight cartilage damage (most probably what is causing him his slight knee pain now and a minor complication in most damaged knees) and will have had to get back to full match fitness as well, a three year period out is spot on. Of course, there are no guarantees, but to right him off completely would appear short sighted. Sorry, rant over.
To answer your original question, Jager. I doubt very much that he will named, but I could definitely foresee him being in the 25 man squad come January.
Fair points apple, though I will stick with what I have stated, Bodde was at one stage blaming the club, and wishing to sue (Ref Norway's posts on BBC 606) but there is evidence that his first opp did not go right, his choice to have the opp back in Holland, and Painter had his opp in Bristol if I'm correct, sometimes the surgeons get it right sometimes they don't, and that's a reality too, so while I accept and take on board what you say, the issues and politics with Bodde on this are not straight forward, and I'm not righting him off, just being realistic, how many years have gone by now? 3 and counting up!................ please log in to view this image PS: By the way apple his first opp lasted 8 minutes on the field, then they stated he did not need another opp, but therapy after the swelling went down, when that didn't work it was then that it changed to another opp later, and while I appreciate there are individual characteristics to recovery, I'll not be convinced that his surgeon back in Holland got this one right first time!............. please log in to view this image
With the window closing soon, and if I understand the 25 man rules posted the other day, we will only be able add to the squad using free agent signings providing there are slots available, I think Bodde and Tate will both be omitted from the roster. This will give us room to add to the squad over the next month if the right players become available. We do need to add, especially on defense since Tate's injury. Shame about Tate and Bodde. Hopefully Bodde will be able to go come January and will have the benefit of some good reserve competition to regain match fitness once he's cleared to resume playing. It looks like Tate will miss the whole season.
We might as well stick him in. We only have 23 players over 21 years of age. Players under 21 don't count apparently.
Big Apple makes some good points. and I think January is a time he could come back. He was going to sue the club, but they gave him a new contract instead of the sueing.
Please lets all hope that he is able to play again. But with the legnth of time i have to say i am not very optomistic. i dont think there isnt a swans fan out there who would love to see him in the white shirt hitting one into the top corner at old trafford. But i fear for his career. We have kept faith with him and i believe the club will do that till every avenue has been explored and to the last minute. But, we can not possibly include him in the 25. lets hope by Jan he is back fit and raring to go. Good luck Mr Bodde.
Well if that is the case it's likely he will be named there, unless we bring in maybe 3 new players over the age of 21
Big Apple - i remember us having this disscision on 606 i also have suffered an A C L injury .Holt is indeed well thought of but There is a difference with top level athletes and us! Bodde IMO is finished, hope im totally wrong but ive heard so many stories about his situation and so far alot of it has been true. Im not going to go into detail about it again but i Will be suprised to se him ever Get back to former glory if at all. Alot of his problems IMO have down to poor management of the injury , trying to run before you can walk if you like. He may well just be unlucky and acl is career threatening at the best of times, i would love to see him back but after 3 years out i dont see him everyone getting to the level he was at before anyway. You dont come back after that amount of time and compete in the prem league. If he does then he really is an evil genious !
That's a bit unfair on the surgeon. I doubt very much that the surgeon is to blame and I doubt that Bodde and Paint had exactly the same injury. Every person is unique and their recovery depends on lots of things. If Bodde isn't recovering properly then it suggests that maybe the injury was much worse than we though or maybe his body isn't capable of repairing the damage. Please don't try to blame the surgeon, especially as you probably have no idea what he's done.
Getting good medical attention these days is a lottery, and there are plenty of law suits against the so called experts, but while I'm not outrightly blaming his surgeon, I do smell some issues here, by the way I've known of Orthopaedic Surgeons who couldn't read an X ray properly, good job the person concerned went for a second opinion to a different hospital, Ferrie Bodde is a young man, that by his own surgeons statement should have been back on the field of play by now, so I stick by my view that questions should be asked of his medical treatment at least, and if some don't like, tough!.............. please log in to view this image
I do remember, Norway, as I am constantly mouthing off on all things knee related DPJ - You're right, regarding the time line of Bodde's injuries, that when he decided not to have a second reconstruction, it was probably a mistake, but, as unlikely as it sounds, it is more than possible to supplement the laterally supportive role of the ACL within the knee joint with extra muscular strength. Once a reconstruction of the ACL has taken place, it is considered a failure if the patient suffers a re-occurrence of instability within the knee joint which can be down to the graft stretching slightly or, indeed, being slightly too short; it does not necessarily mean that the newly grafted substitute-ligament has snapped or torn. With this in mind, building up the quads, hams, and calves to supplement the existing graft is a preferable option to undergoing another re-construction as the operation would again require at least 9 months of recuperation, so for Bodde, considering the time that he'd already spent on the side line following his first op, it made sense to go down this route. Obviously, following the unfortunate failure of this decision, another reconstruction was then clearly required. This does not in any way mean that the decision was the wrong one. If the physio plan was strictly adhered to, it was simply a case of bad luck, and nothing more. If this new graft is successful, and over 90% of them are, he will play again, but at what standard, who knows?
The thing is IMO he was brought back to early twice, Martinez rushed him back and his knee went again, he also did the same with pratley with a back problem, and he was out a further few months, I think pratley actually went record about that. Under sousa he lasted what 20 mins before it re-occurring again, the swans as a club are responsible for this, and I feel that we owe him a lot, a contract at the very least, and all the time it takes. But I just got this feeling we will never see him playing for us again, and he will retire, which will mean he gets a substantial payment from the insurance, a pension for life and probably a payment from us, he may be young but he is going to be a very wealthy guy all things considered.
I didn't realise we had so many fans with medical knowledge which is just as well because mine is bugger all. I just hope Bodde is back on the field fully fit because he is one hell of a player.
Hello all This situation with Bodde's injury and all the speculation flying around I'm hoping I can clear it up with this, I have had the information from a very reliable source. His operation was a success and his ACL is much stronger than it was before, the problem at the moment is psychological, he is afraid of damaging it again....his recent trip to Holland was not to repair any physical damage but to repair the psychological damage that the injury has caused him. If this is to be true then I should imaging we would see him back on the field sooner than you think.
