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Fernandes may quit F1 if Caterham are at the back again

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  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Tony Fernandes is upset that his team are pants

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25833881

    tbh I want to 'slap him upside the head' with his remarks about RBR/McLaren/Ferrari/Mercedes. RBR were midfield/back markers 6+ years ago, as were the Mercedes team in their previous guise, if he wants better results he needs a better car, which means he needs better staff. Ross Brawn is available, so stop moaning and open the cheque-book
     
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  2. Han Shot First

    Han Shot First New Member

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    Diddums, go back to QPR you miserable, half arsed, untalented hack of a team owner. He's going to f*ck up Kamui's big return.


    Though getting QPR relegated was funny as f*ck.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    It's almost impossible for a small team to enter F1 and be competitive these days unless there is a massive backer. More even distribution of funds would at least ease this a little... combine it with a sensible budget cap and the sport would benefit.

    It's tough to do as you don't want to hamstring development, but honestly... the tight regulations are already doing that anyways.

    Look at Williams who are currently struggling to remain even a mid-field team. McLaren could find themselves in a similar situation if they can't turn their fortunes around.

    Something needs to change, otherwise we'll have a constant rotation of new teams at the bottom end of the grid, or even worse, a dwindling number of entrants.
     
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  4. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Kyle, you're back! Where the hell have you been? Good to see you.

    I want to agree with "open the cheque book" and get on with it: as Miggins says, RBR and Mercedes have done it; but I think the article has twisted his words for maximum drama and Fernandes is correct when he says:

    Many of us moan about the misdistribution of the vast wealth that passes through the sport and I don't think Fernandes is saying any different; and after all, he's better placed to know why all that money has left all but the very top teams in precarious positions.
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    pah, Fernandes doesn't know his arse from his elbow, since 2000 there have been 4 teams out of 20 win the EPL, whereas 5 different teams have won the WDC (McLaren, Ferrari, Renault, Brawn & RBR). And Williams, McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull & Lotus have all won races in the last 2 seasons, that's more than half the teams in F1, and 2 of the last 4 WDC's have gone to the last race.
     
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  6. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Yup that's why the premier league is more vastly watched than La Liga worldwide because they share the wealth equally over the teams rather than just Real Madrid and Barcelona with about 70% of the wealth to themselves...

    F1 would be wise to introduce a relegation zone IMO, make GP2 the 'championship league' with the same regulations of F1. So getting into F1 makes you 40-50 million year extra to your budget. Worst team in F1 should be relegated into "F1mk2"
     
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  7. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    In F1, the same team has won for the last four years; in the Premier league there have been three different winners over the same period.
     
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  8. allsaintchris.

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    Would never work for many reasons
     
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  9. 51LV3R8RR04

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    Never stopped the FIA before ;)
     
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  10. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I think it could work if the second tier had the same cars but with detuned engines. It would be great for young drivers and getting worthier drivers into F1, but FOM would have to subsidise it and they'd never do that.
     
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  11. allsaintchris.

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    How would the teams coming up from GP2 have enough time to raise the budget, design and build cars etc? Unless the cars were of the same spec, or at least interhchangeable to a degree, which is never going to happen as F1 will not be a spec formula, it just won't work

    The infrastructure to build a car alone is beyond what most GP2 teams have.

    With football, the team, players, infrastructure are there and the rules from one league to another are the same. 11 men, one pitch and a football!

    It's a nice idea, but not workable for high-end motorpsort
     
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  12. u408379965

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    If the regulations were the same in both tiers they wouldn't need to design a whole new car if they were promoted. Marussia have proven it's possible to operate an F1 team on a low budget, they only received $10m for their first three seasons. It could work if FOM wanted it to, the sport generates more than enough to support a second tier.
     
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  13. BrightLampShade

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    The idea of a second division F1 lends itself to allowing customer cars. You'd need a budget cap in F1 to give any promoted GP2 teams a chance though. I think F1 and GP2 needs to be closer, with looser regs you could go pretty fast for a tiny budget.
     
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  14. allsaintchris.

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    I think you'd end up with a load of 'Andrea Moda's' if everyone had to design and build their own cars to suit F1 and GP2 and teams would drop out of GP2 as they just wouldn't have the expertise to build their own cars, regardless of budget.

    If there were a couple of off-the-shelf customer chassis available as BLS has said, then it may have a chance as teams coming up could just buy a car and run it to F1 standards.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    We already have relegation through financial colapse. We need to retain teams and allow them to develop.
     
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  16. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    remember Force india were dead beat back markers once but with a little investment and rule changes they are now solid midfield
     
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  17. allsaintchris.

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    Their issue is now forcing their way out of the midfield and to the front. They have threatened it at times, but just don't have the resources to keep pace with developement through the year. that probably takes more money than it does to get from the back to mid-grid.

    Caterham have the resourcees, certainly more so than Marussia, so really should have made a solid improvement by now. I think they have definitely underacheived, especially last year when they had Renualt engines.
     
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  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    there have been 5 winners of the EPL. EVER, in it's history. And over 40 teams have competed in it. And that team you're complaining about weren't even in the WCC 10 years ago. I'd like to see a team that wasn't in the EPL 10 years ago win it unless they do what I suggested TF do, and spend money, like Man city.
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    If I was loaded, the last thing I'd be doing is throwing my wealth at F1. There's plenty of other ways to go racing that's far cheaper.
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

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    You could pay £10m a year and race the car yourself!
     
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