https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-bosses-make-desperate-6873018 This makes for pretty grim reading.
We need a debate about our youth. Is behaviour a consequence of post lockdown freedom and 2 quid tickets? I'm not comfortable with this backlash against all young support when there are other factors including crap stewards. We need febrile, vocal young supporters but obviously behaviour to be kept within the rules, by proper stewarding of away fans also. What do we want? If we suppress teen spirit and drive the lads away we get a stadium predominated by middle aged mutes.
Or a totally way over the top reaction to a relatively minor problem. Grim reading, yes, as it is intended to be by the HDM. Lots of 'could lead to and if's' in the article but not a lot of actual facts and figures or crimes committed. A 14 year old boy running on the pitch during the game ? Looked about 10 to me. One drunken dad ? Only one ? FFS have a walk around the city centre any day of the week and I'll bet you'll see more then one in minutes. E2 overcrowded ? In a stadium which has at least 10,000 empty seats for every game ? Treat people like criminals and they will behave like criminals. Turn the 'match day experience' into like a visiting day at Hull Prison by monitoring everyone as though they are about to commit a crime and people will stop away. Resulting in not selling one extra ticket for tomorrows game and the gate being a third down from the previous home match. If the club have been warned about a couple of incidents, and I'm sure they have because there is easy money to be gained by the EFL and such in handing out fines that will always be paid without question but is it really a problem needed to be spread all over the local media headlines for all and sundrie to have an opinion on ? An announcement over the PA system pre game and again at half time should have been enough, or words of caution on the clubs social media, not handed the HDM another 'shock horror, football is bad for you' free hit.........again. In contrast. Serious crowd trouble, (fighting, not getting a selfie with a player) in the stands and corporate areas at Craven Park recently. Picked up on facebook, shoved under the carpet by the club, hardly mentioned in the local media and eventually blamed on the old chesnut of 'it was JUST the away fans fighting amongst themselves' Some of you think this is trivial but this has gone on now for over 50 years in the local press. Football attracts hooligans and RL attracts decent law abiding family folk.
What makes it worse for me is that some of our fans seem to support announcements like these, that make it sound like Armageddon.
And it's the total opposite. I've seem more punches thrown amongst the crowd, hissy fits and stuff thrown about and bad tempers before during and after at an under 16 girls football semi final played at Hull University ten years ago then I have seen at all the City home and away games put together in the same period of time. Never made the front page.
I just wonder where these peers of mine, who love a good moan at the youth of today, were in my day when we were jumping around like lunatics at BP on our own teenage rampages?
It's not over the top and your continued desire to play down these issues is a huge part of the problem. It's not a problem unique to us.
I was at an event in Pearson Park that had wide scale drug taking, and ended in a serious fight between several groups. Despite being right in front of the Police Station, there were no arrests. It was reported in the mail as a successful event.
I'm with Urika on this. It's a media-let campaign to discredit football in general to sell papers. They are trying to engineer a problem where there really isn't one. Yes, there might be isolated issues at some clubs, say, Turkish football for example, but long gone are days of football violence from the 70s and 80s. I'm a little embarrassed for the people who lap it up to be fair.
Have you missed all the objects being hurled onto pitches up and down the country this season? The pitch invasions? Dunno how the media is making that up. There seems a swathe of fans who think things were better in the rough and tumble era of the 70s and people these days are soft if they can't handle a little bit of law breaking.
I welcome the return of youth culture to games, the concourse parties, the goal celebration 'limbs', even the pyros. 21st century rough & tumble without the 70's brickings and stabbings. I don't want to see it all suppressed because stewards can't stop the handful of pitch invaders.
Everything you listed there is perfectly fine and acceptable, suggesting it would be suppressed to stop pitch invaders is clearly not what's going on here. Equating the two is false equivalence. The fact our owner who is spending a huge amount of money trying to get fans back is having to pay huge fines and has now had to release a plea directly to the fans through the press, and people are dressing it up as the media looking for a story is just mind boggling.
Pitch invasion, bottle-throwing etc is ****ish behaviour but football does seem to attract an inordinate level of scrutiny.
No argument, just a simple question. By the way, you were the one that posted the picture trivialising the comments from our owner in the OP, not me.
