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Expiring Contracts in the summer

Discussion in 'Gillingham' started by MikeGills32, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. MikeGills32

    MikeGills32 Member

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    This is the list of players out of contract in the summer.
    Im presuming we are all sure were playing league 2 football next season so which players would you offload? my prediction is next to the name.
    Curtis Weston - 1 year contract
    Matt Lawrence - if played at CB- 1 year....if played at right back- Release
    Dennis Oli - Release
    Danny Spiller - 2 year contract
    Danny Jackman - 2 year contract
    Garry Richards - Release
    Simon King - 1 year contract
    Jo Kuffour - 2 year contract
    Joe Martin - Release
    Gavin Tomlin (Loan End) Permanent 2 year contract
    Connor Essam- 3 Year contract
    Dean Rance - Release
    Darren Hawkes - 2 year contract
    Callum Davies - 1 year contract
    Alex Brown - Release
    Jack Evans - 2 year contract
     
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    Weston- 1 year
    Lawrence- release
    Oli- release
    Spiller- 2 years
    Jackman- 2 years
    Richards- 1 year
    King- pay as you play/ 3 month
    Kuffour- 2 years
    Martin- 2 years
    Tomlin- 2 years
    Essam- 3 years
    Rance- release
    Hawkes- release
    Davis- 1 year
    Brown- release
    Evans- 1 year
     
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  3. brb

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    Curtis Weston - don't care
    Matt Lawrence - release
    Dennis Oli - release
    Danny Spiller - 1 year contract
    Danny Jackman - 2 year contract
    Garry Richards - release
    Simon King - 1 year contract
    Jo Kuffour - release
    Joe Martin - release
    Gavin Tomlin (Loan End) Permanent 3 year contract
    Connor Essam- 3 Year contract
    Dean Rance - unsure
    Darren Hawkes - unsure
    Callum Davies - 1 year contract
    Alex Brown - unsure
    Jack Evans - 3 year contract
     
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  4. Tom-Tom-Sat-Nav

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    Curtis Weston - the minute he starts caring, we should. Believe we could make use of a more consistent player.
    Matt Lawrence - unfortunate to be frozen out by a mix of a loss of legs (his admission) and tactical ineptitude (my take on the manager) but we can find younger alternatives
    Dennis Oli - sorry Dennis, release.
    Danny Spiller - on the fence, hesitant on offering a contract until he can prove his long term fitness
    Danny Jackman - give him at least another year and hopefully be able to stick him back in the centre of midfield where he can flourish.
    Garry Richards - release IF we can find better alternatives.
    Simon King - similarly to Spiller, until he can prove his fitness with a consistent run in the side, I'm unsure whether we should offer him something. Shame, because he's our best centre back
    Jo Kuffour - disappointed with his goal return (there hasn't been one) and his attitude since his stay was prolonged. Get rid.
    Joe Martin - has a decent pedigree but offers very little going forward and is defensively a bit of a nightmare. Release, better left backs out there.
    Gavin Tomlin (Loan End) - bit of a star, in context. Only worry is that his pre-Gillingham form will repeat itself next season and he'll go from hero to a bit of a zero. Put something on the table for him.
    Connor Essam- will hopefully get his run in the squad. Give him a couple of years, maybe 3.
    Dean Rance - not too sure about him as we haven't seen him in action. There are other youth team options in the fold.
    Darren Hawkes - 18 going on 37. Keep him if we can't get anymore backup during the summer.
    Callum Davies - I like the look of him and would like to see him more. Give him another year or two. Alex Brown - Not seen anything of him to comment.
    Jack Evans - As per the Callum Davies comment. Could provide some solid backup for Fuller next season.
     
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  5. gills4everandaday

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    i'm well p***** off about this season and all those promises that were in store, so keep at gillingham....

    evans, davies, king, tomlin, essam and jackman...maybe spiller ?.

    get rid of the rest including southall(shadow), then maybe we can move forward !

    would also move out contracted players i.e. montrose, martin, fish, frampton & kedwell as well.

    time to act hess and actually show we are a side to fear, plus also bring in a coach...along with a training pitch the players can last more than a few days on....not getting injuries week after week !!!
     
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  6. Born Again Gill

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    I would rather look at the payers we should keep
    GK Gazza,Flitney
    RB Fuller, Evans
    LB Martin (One new player)
    CB King,Richards,Essam, Daniels
    LM Tomlin (One new player)
    RM Whelpdale (One new player)
    CM Jackman,Spiller,Payne,Lee,Dack
    CF Kedwell,Birchall,Miller (One new player)

    This would give us a small squad but smaller squads tend to do a bit better because of a team mentality. If we can't fill the team sheet with these players use some youth ones. We would have a smaller wage bill so the 4 we would bring in could be good quality and forget about loaning players in. Unless its Cody or nouble...Just my opinion
     
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    Smaller squad is no use under Hess, he has far too many injuries under his training regime. He needs double the players he had this year. Of course, he says the injuries are due to bad luck. Bad training more like.
     
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  8. GeminiSwiftgfc

    GeminiSwiftgfc Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    While I have no idea what goes on at the training ground, you can't blame all the injuries on Hess and whatever the training regime maybe. Birchall's preseason injury, Whelpdale's split scrotum, Tomlin's ankle last weekend for example, many of the injuries are picked up in games and come from the "competitive" nature of this league. When Rooney went to the Swine and they commented on how unfit he was people seem to forget that he hadn't been training and had been frozen out because of his(representatives) stance during contract negotiations.
     
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  9. Tom-Tom-Sat-Nav

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    It all depends on whether a new man is in place. He will want a good few weeks to assess his new squad and make the relevant changes.

    As so much of the budget was spent last summer, we simply cannot afford a mass clearout, especially of the contracted players.
     
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  10. Tom-Tom-Sat-Nav

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    It all depends on whether a new man is in place. He will want a good few weeks to assess his new squad and make the relevant changes.

    As so much of the budget was spent last summer, we simply cannot afford a mass clearout, especially of the contracted players.
     
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  11. MikeGills32

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    spot on i say mate. needs a coach in to help with the training.
     
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  12. HOADIE_BOI

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    Who is Daniels :LOL< Davies by any chance and
    Mike you would keep Lawrence, he has shown that his time is over, I personally would not mind if he stayed at the club and become a coach as I believe he would have a good influence on the squad.
     
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  13. MikeGills32

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    am i the only fan that can see the quality of Lawrence or are you all just dumb?
    when he plays at CB he is the best player in the squad. he about the only play in the squad (mayb Kedwell) that goes for the 1st ball all the time. when hessy put him at RB. "HE IS NOT A RIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!" he is poor, because he isnt a RB. people starting doubting him since he played at RB. judge him in his preferable position. i agree he isnt fast and can make mistakes, but who doesnt make mistakes. i believe that at the beginning of the season lawrence was the best CB ive seen at this level since Simon King 3 seasons ago.
     
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  14. HOADIE_BOI

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    He was a good player but he deteriorated this season sadly.
     
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  15. BSG

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    Actually Lawrence used to play full back for Palace back in his younger day, but you are right is saying he is better played in the centre these days.
     
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  16. MikeGills32

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    i agree. and why did he deteriorate?

    because fuller got injured. Fish got injured and is just plain S#!T. and Hessy made him play RB.

    Also he might have played there in his younger days but lets not forget the bloke is nearly 40.

    Even if we give him a year for cover. i just feel hessy is bang out of order in leaving him out. and IMO Gillingham having the 2nd highest wage budget in the league and not even making the play offs. its a good bye the hessy. I dont dislike the bloke but feel we need someone who can give abit more. and bring in a coach instead of trying to run it himself with his little shadow (Southall)
     
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  17. HOADIE_BOI

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    I think Lawrence in a non playing role would be great, I think Frampton should be out the door as he is a major problem, however he still has one year to run on his contract and I can't see him going.
     
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  18. Gills79

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    I don't really see what a lot of other people see in Jack Evans. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near ready yet and in my opinion far better right backs can be acquired. Callum Davies looks a better prospect.
     
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  19. HOADIE_BOI

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    He is a great player, looks good going forward and shows that he is a good decision maker at the back what is wrong with him?
    Davies seems good aswell but sadly we have not seen much of him yet, would like to see more of him.
     
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  20. bristol407

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    MikeGills did a great job in focusssing on the players who are out of contract........and then people start talking about players who are not out of contract. Lets spell it out; there are decisions to be made about the people on Mike's list but the others are staying (or at least they will stay unless another club offers a better deal). So its not a blank piece of paper and the players who are staying will play better if they are supported rather than criticised.
    Turning to Mike's comments about Lawrence, no you are not the only one who recognises the merits of Lawrence who was easily the player of 2011 but his form did dip at the start of 2012 and he is about 37 so it is hard to justify a new contract. He has been unfairly scapegoated and he should be allowed to leave with some pride. He is an intelligent bloke and may be back as manager in a year or two.
    So far as the rest are concerned we should think of two considerations. First salaries, because you could probably have 3 of the youngsters for the cost of a Kuffour. Secondly the track record on fitness. Contrary to popular relief, the assumption that the training regime is responsible for the injury list does not stack up. The sicknote gang all have history and in general terms it shows that they are regularly injured whoever they play for. People like Spiller and Oli have only played a handful of games over the last 5 years so i am afraid the players who have not been available for at least 30 games this season just have to be let go.
    The youngsters have good cases for contracts and the coaching staff will know who has the potential without any help from fans. But there has to be a practical limit of 4 or 5 junior players on the fringe of the team.
     
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