Ex players as managers

[SAFCY]

Good enough for Arsenal and Chelsea

plenty of ex safc players around, particularly one who on appointment would lift the crowd immensely.

 

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I'm interested in having a real discussion about this because I agree in principle but I'm undecided.

What makes you think that SKP will be a good manager? Obviously he's a legend here, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would inspire a player with words, and he played largely for old school English managers so no guarantee that he has much tactical nous.

Are there any former Sunderland players that are managers elsewhere? I can't even think of many who are coaches at a decent level to be honest. Steve Bould is of course, but he clearly doesn't have any desire for a more senior role otherwise he would have stepped in ahead of Ljungberg.

Joaqium Bjorkland was a scout for years at Valencia and is now an assistant manager at Hammarby, but he's only been there for 1 year.

The most obvious management material that I've seen in the last few years would be John O'Shea who is currently first team coach at Reading.

Claudio Reyna has become a successful sporting director in the MLS. Perhaps he's suitable for a DOF role.

It probably says a lot about us that we sign very few leaders.

 

[SAFCY]

Pre match rant really. Who knows how Phillips will go until he is given an opportunity

they all have to start somewhere. I just feel that an ex safc player could get the crowd back onside at the very least and hopefully most of the players will have a belief in him as he was a top goal scorer during a time when our players were young uns and presumably watching SAFC play at their best in the premier league and other teams he has played for

that’s how i feel we can succeed at this level. Teams are all a muchness but we have the huge advantage in support wherever the game is played. Keane played up to that when he arrived, getting safc to flood the box and the numerous late goals which turned games

we just need a spark and when safc get on a roll, it takes some stopping. Phillips knows that from his days.

 

[FulwellBri]

Good enough for Arsenal and Chelsea

plenty of ex safc players around, particularly one who on appointment would lift the crowd immensely.

Bit disingenuous of you.
Lampard at least had a year or so in charge of medium size club.
Arteta has worked as no 2 for several years with one of the most successful managers of all time.
Skp gas been nothing but a glorified bib boy who has been out of work for more than 6 mths.
Utterly ludicrous suggestion

 

[The Norton Cat]

Your points about Lampard and Arteta are accurate. Less so with regard to Phillips although I agree with the general gist. Who would be your pick for Sunderland manager?

 

[SAFCY]

Bit disingenuous of you.
Lampard at least had a year or so in charge of medium size club.
Arteta has worked as no 2 for several years with one of the most successful managers of all time.
Skp gas been nothing but a glorified bib boy who has been out of work for more than 6 mths.
Utterly ludicrous suggestion

Not disingenuous really though. As for ludicrous, if someone is never given an opportunity we will never find out

look at Alex Ferguson sacked twice early in his career.

Phillips would lift the crowd for one. Lampard failed at derby but the old player thing got him the Chelsea job.

must do better Bri.

 

[SAFCY]

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Incorrect use Bri

 

[SAFCY]

Your points about Lampard and Arteta are accurate. Less so with regard to Phillips although I agree with the general gist. Who would be your pick for Sunderland manager?

Lampard failed at Derby. Arteta is completely unproven as a manager. His whole point is wrong


If Phillips is never given an opportunity who knows

if I had my way Big Sam would be safc manager

 

[Nacho]

I find it interesting how the position someone played in has a massive effect on how good a manager they are. Doesn't matter how good they were as a player they could have been painfully average it's all about the position.

How many wingers, CFs or AMs have made it to be top managers? Some I'm sure but nowhere near as many CBs and defensive CMs. I don't know why more creative players don't become quality managers but it seems to be the case.

 

[farnboromackem]

Your points about Lampard and Arteta are accurate. Less so with regard to Phillips although I agree with the general gist. Who would be your pick for Sunderland manager?

It might be a very long wait for a response.... he's just an ignorant WUM.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Lampard failed at Derby. Arteta is completely unproven as a manager. His whole point is wrong


If Phillips is never given an opportunity who knows

if I had my way Big Sam would be safc manager

His point isn't wrong at all. Lampard DID have a year in charge at another club. Arteta HAS been assistant to Guardiola. Where he is inaccurate is in regard to Phillips although Phillips' experience isn't as limited as he makes out.

I would give Phillips a chance with SAFC at this point in time but there are absolutely no guarantees that he'd be any good. What he will definitely have going for him is the amount of goodwill he will be offered by the fans.

Wouldn't touch Allardyce with a barge pole. He's a chequebook manager and his results weren't that marvellous when he was here. He did bring in Kirchhoff though and had the makings of an excellent midfield with him and Yann. That's it though.

 

[SAFCY]

Lampard failed at Derby, Arteta has never managed before, and that was my point. Yet two major clubs have chosen to employ them. Employing Phillips is less of a gamble at safc's level, than arsenal's and Chelsea’s. That’s my point - number twos don’t automatically succeed. Could you name a number two who has recently stepped in and been a success

his comment about being disingenuous is basically ridiculous

 

[SAFCY]

Safc under allardyce played some of our best football during the premier league era. Outside of Peter Reid’s time

chequebook or not, he had safc playing

 

[The Norton Cat]

Lampard failed at Derby, Arteta has never managed before, and that was my point. Yet two major clubs have chosen to employ them. Employing Phillips is less of a gamble at safc's level, than arsenal's and Chelsea’s. That’s my point - number twos don’t automatically succeed. Could you name a number two who has recently stepped in and been a success

his comment about being disingenuous is basically ridiculous

On what basis did Lampard fail at Derby? He won 42% of his games there. Of course employing Phillips is more of a risk for SAFC than Lampard was for Chelsea. I didn't say it was the wrong thing to do though.
Why are you on about No 2s? Phillips has been an No 2. I don't see your point. Like you say, everyone has to start somewhere and No 2 is better than nowhere.
I wasnt commenting about his use of the term disingenuous...
The adulation that Allardyce gets is based on a rose tinted view. Yes, he kept us up, but he lost more than he won. Had two excellent midfield players. That's about the size of it.

 

[polyphemus]

If SAFC were to confine the search for yet another Manager to former players, there isn't a lot of choice in terms of candidates with a successful track record.

Add to this the fact that we need, apparently, someone with 'leadership qualities' though I'm a bit hazy on defining this attribute.
Also the new man would need to be popular with the Fans.
Well, we have Kevin Ball at the club who would qualify as being both popular and a leader, but not I think a Manager in waiting.

Sam is the only one I can think of that ticks ALL of the boxes and he has recently said that he is not interested, (according to press reports).

If we want to be realistic, at the minute we are a basket case of a club, so why would any successful Manager want to take us on and try to succeed where so many have failed.
It could well wreck his whole career.

We have to accept that we can only look at either someone currently unemployed, (ie sacked for failing), or someone freshly retired and just starting out, possibly a coach at his first Club or a lower League/Non-League Manager who is full of confidence.
If we are also going to insist that he's a former player, I don't see anyone out there except John O'Shea, and he would be a very big risk with such limited experience.

I like the idea of a former player getting the job. It's finding one that's the problem.