Euro's Over......Team GB Next....?

Anyone but Beckham in the team.....!

 

Erm, why Angelic? Does the fact he is wealthy and in the media all the time make you feel inferior??

Bloody good player is becks even now, and he should go along, if only to encourage our lot to do better. No one better to install passion into a team than Becks IMO.

 

Agree with Becks playing. If nothing else he deserves the opportunity to end his career in his home town in a once in a life time opportunity. Like him or not Beckaham has done a lot for football in this country, his charity work, using his face and name to help get the olympics in london in the first place. Beckham is and always will be a huge name in english football, not always the best but always gave 100%. Beck's will put bums on seats, he will encourage and inspire the younger players. Play Becks i say!!!!

 

I would not pick becks. Yes he would give his all but u can only have 3 over 23 yr old players and i would use those 3 in positions where we struggle.

Given that we will not include any playets from the Euro we will struggle against teams like Brazil whos B team could prob beat us

 

Nope, I just think he's one of the most over rated players ever. England would have been so much better for years without all of the hype around Beckham who took every set piece for a decade and achieved **** all. This England team who've just been knocked out have already done more without him.

From the nonsense of having the wags around (Beckham inspired) at the WC, to the abortion of that night in Belfast where he convinced Sven to let him play quarter back and look how that ended up !

Media obsessed, distinctly average player who is just famouse for being famous, and wearing his wifes pants, not as a legendary footballer, which he's certainly not

Also has the worst disciplinary record for England for being a petulant twat.

Nuff said

 

shove him in not like it anything important anyways

 

Again, the current squad have got as far as Becks did, not further. Plus, we had milner on the right. If we would have had Becks in the side, we may have possible got further, with one of his magical set pieces which he so say did **** all with (I think you will not find another person who thinks Beckham did **** all with his set pieces mind you). Not a legendary footballer, yet all the greats of football past and present have stated how brilliant he was for the game. I think you are being petty and are frankly bitter and jealous of a man who has contributed more to his country than you ever will. Lay off him billy big bollocks, and get over his status as a football legend.

 

Chris

What a charming fellow you are.

I've never claimed to have contributed anything of any magnitude to my country, but I know a fraud when I see one.

For the record Beckham is our most capped outfield player, in an era when England achieved absolutely nothing with him in the team, following our semi final appearance in the WC of 1990 and again in the Euros in 1996.

Aside from a scuffed penalty against Argentina he singularly never did anything against any half decent opposition when it really mattered which is where his international credentials are exposed and are found wanting, and its where the frankly ridiculous 'legend' image he has somehow acquired all starts to fall apart.

This is the player who people conveniently forgot got deliberately booked for his country so that he'd miss the next game in the qualifiers as his wife had a modelling assignment, who cried like a girl when being substituted, and who was given 20 or more caps by the FA at the end of his career for games coming on as a sub for the last 10 minutes when we were already 3 goals or so to the good. Totally pointless when there were younger players who would have benefitted from the experience.
At this time why was he even picked for his country when playing the equivalent of Downs League football in America ? No-one else before or since would have been afforded this privilege.

The American's actually sussed him out really quickly and realised all he was after was publicity, and yet more money, hence LA Galaxy fans having banners calling him a Judas.

This is the same person who formed part of the abortion party and tried to secure the WC for England in a campaign that cost £21m and got one vote.

George Best had probably the best summing up of Beckham which was along the lines of 'he can't tackle, can't head the ball but can pass it a bit'. Aside from him also being slow, never showing any sort of leadership qualities as captain, and being positionally incompetent, yes, he's a legend.

He's lived on image over substance ever since Sir Alex Ferguson kicked that boot at his head and failed to do the job properly.

Real legends who've won things and have been the best at their time are the likes of Pele, Cruyff, Best, Beckenbaer, Maradonna, Moore, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazil), Muller and co and many more deserving players.

A legend Beckham isn't, and never will be

 

How is best a legend? What did he win with his country? Exactly nothing, just like Beckham, except Beckham has been a model professional whereas Best was a piss head. Becks had huge passion for all things football, especially for his country. How you can deny that is beyond belif. You make yourself look a little foolish by saying he never did anything against half decent opposition, when he single handidly dragged England through to the World Cup kicking and screaming and playing one of the best proformances many have seen from any single English player since the world cup winning days. He has also set up many an important goal via his fantastic ball in the box. Cant tackle? Sure, he pulled out of a tackle when he recently recovered from a broken foot, but he alwasy dug in and did his best for England which is more than I can say for a lot of England players these past 20 years.

 

"Beckham who took every set piece for a decade and achieved **** all"

Cant agree with that Angelic, he scored the set piece at Old Trafford against Greece that took us to the 2002 world cup, I was there at that game and believe me that kid single handedly got us through that day, the likes of Robbie Fowler bottled it. I've got a lot of time for him..

He also scored the penalty in play against Argentina that won us the game.. say what you like about him he always stood up and put himself on the line, not like those ****in bedwetters from the other night.. their arses fell out when we needed them most..

John Terry down as 9th penalty taker? thats supposed to be a natural leader? ****in bottlers...

Whether he should be given a GB squad place on sentimentality is another question..

 

Beckham's performance against Greece (capped by the goal) was the best individual performance I have seen in an England shirt

 

Beckhams goal against Greece was scored at Old Trafford where he was a player at the time. It wasn't in scored in the San Siro to beat Italy, or at the Olympic Stadium in Munich.

I'm not saying it wasn't a great free kick, it was, but lets put it in some form of context. We weren't going to be eliminated had he not scored it, but would have gone into a play-off against Ukraine I believe.

They way people talk about that goal, is like he'd won us the World Cup Final in the 90th minute, but it didnt, nor did it knock us out.

The game was also just a qualifier, there are no great Beckham free kicks/goals in World Cups or European Championships. Yes he got credited with an assist against the likes of Paraguay, but an assist against Paraguay is hardly scoring/assisting against the good teams like Germany, Spain, Italy, Brazil etc.

Chris - You're obviously too young to have seen George Best at his best. He was unfortunate in one respect to have been born in Northern Ireland who only had a couple of other decent players at the time. Pat Jennings springs to mind and a big centre half who used to play for Villa, Chris Nicholl I believe?

SMHBCFC - If Beckhams performance against the Greeks is the best you've ever seen are you too young to have seen Hurst's Hat Trick to win us the WC, or Gazza's demolition of Scotland and Holland at Wembley in '96, or Linekers, Shearers, Owen's or Charltons goals against top class opposition over the years ?

I know I'm in the minority here, but the word legend needs to be earned, it's not a given just because you've played x number of games for your country that the FA endorse by giving you cheap caps and cameo appearances.

 

Angelic - I remember Euro 96 very well and it was probably the best England side I have seen in my years, especially the demolition of Holland, a side with so much quality, they were expected to win the tournament and we absolutely stonked them.

You are right, I didn’t really see George Best play at his prime but the point is Beckham has had a better career than Best did, won more medals and leads a healthy lifestyle... He does not deserve the abuse you and a lot of others throw at him just because he wears his wife’s knickers mate. Yes he is ****ing weird, but he was a brilliant football player. Anyone deny that, IMO, knows nothing about football

Gazza in the first half of the Scotland game was pants, like the rest of the squad. It was only the second half when we suddenly turned it on and ripped them to bits but Beckham vs Greece was brilliant for the whole game on his own. Everyone else didn’t show up. A Brilliant individual performance that is rightly remembered and considered by many as the best individual performance from an England player since the world cup winning days

 

He's certainly got more money than Bestie ever saw earned or could have dreamed about, but aside from a quick shag with Rebecca Loos which was quickly hushed up to preserve the family man image, Georgie shagged several Miss Worlds if my memory serves me, and was a much more of a personality.

 

You are right Angelic. But anyway this isn't about who is better out of Best or Becks. I just thought I would defend a man who is more patriotic than any other multi millionaire football player these days - who has given his all for his country when called upon. You can't ask more than that.

 

Fair enough Chris, but I think that Steven Gerrard, Joe Hart, John Terry (vile though he is) and others in the current set up also come under this category of wanting and looking like they want to succeed for England, and all of them are also multi-millionaires

 

I agree Angelic, and Terry puts his body on the line for club and country every single game. The problem is he is vile as you put it and it's hard to like and defend him when he doesn't help himself with his stupid off the field antics.

Back to the Olympics, I don’t think Becks should be included because I believe he is a legend, or that we owe him something, but because he can give something to the team to help them succeed, weather that be a beautiful cross/free kick or just some much needed encouragement. You have to give it to him, he is a fantastic ambassador for this country

 

Have to say I agree with the idiot Chris on this one.
In saying that Best was unfortunate to be born in Ireland is a bit like saying Giggs was born in Wales Brady born in Ireland and Dalgleish being Scottish.

Beckham in his prime could of probably played in most countries team, because as you said can't tackle, can't head a ball. But **** me he can pick out a pass or a real threat at set pieces, Sounds a bit like someone on Sunday, I bet a lot wish Pirlo was in the English team.

I know nothing about sent off to due to stick insects modelling career. If your talking about being sent off in the game against Wales it was more than likely to be get the threat of suspension over and done with with the easier game next and the harder game after the ban. If my memory serves me right it was not just him!!

Stick insect has always followed him where ever he goes, people forget she is successful in her business as well. Apart from Rebecca Loos (which no one knows the truth, and it is difficult for famous people to cover up these days - hence Mr Giggs) he has been the perfect embassidor to his sport, his charities and to GB.

People criticise his income but most have come from endorsement's, bit like most of the marketing sports people. Federer, Woods earn more outside their sports probably in sponsorship's but not many grumble about them. I say fair play to him, if I had a chance like that I would do the same.

If he has the legs I think he should play. We have to choose over a certain age so who else would you play?
That's my view

 

"John Terry (vile though he is) and others in the current set up also come under this category of wanting and looking like they want to succeed for England"

Sorry, when he put himself down as 9th penalty taker against Italy that showed to me He is nothing more than a bottler, he (and most of the rest) could not give a **** about anybody but themselves, but, you were right about one thing, he is vile..

The game against Greece by the way wasn't just about his free kick, he was the only one with any drive or determination to take us through that game, like I said I was there, believe me we only had one lion on the pitch that day the rest bottled it, very much like todays motley crew.

I'd take 1 Beckham for 10 Rooneys any day, he may not have been the best footballer we ever had and when he was younger he was certainly a bit naive but he had a desire for England to win and gave his all. Rooney couldn't give a ****..

As for George Best, I am old enough to have seen him play many times, (my first ever hero) he was a greatly talented player but a waster as a person...