Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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RedorDead said:
You have contradicted yourself here a bit Enoch, first you said it's a "I pray to god we get out of the hell hole we are in" now you're saying "the UK is a great country"
Which is it, I'm undecided and now I'm even more confused <laugh>
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Rod we can pull back now it is our chance,if not we are going to be in one big hell hole believe me.
 
Red Robin said:
You and i are not going to agree,clearly you are in, and i am out.
Stay in my friend and expect to be dictated to on a bigger scale in your lifetime by the unelected.
You say the Turks but they are going to be part of the eu get used to it,and yes they will be here in their droves,why because we are a soft touch and every man,woman,kid that wants to get here knows that.
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You really should work for the Daily Mail mate.
 
Red Robin said:
Rod we can pull back now it is our chance,if not we are going to be in one big hell hole believe me.
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Why should we believe you when you have literally zero facts to back up your points? Apart from that you know someone in the NHS and omg it's the immigrants!
 
BCFCRob said:
Why should we believe you when you have literally zero facts to back up your points? Apart from that you know someone in the NHS and omg it's the immigrants!
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errr my son is at Leeds University doing Medicine,Rob i could tell you some stats and the feeling within the Uni but that is not to be put on here,but the mood is not good.
 
Red Robin said:
errr my son is at Leeds University doing Medicine,Rob i could tell you some stats and the feeling within the Uni but that is not to be put on here,but the mood is not good.
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Again, the stories of one or two people in very different areas have no validity mate! Tell me some stats, please! That's the point of this isn't it?
 
Red Robin said:
errr my son is at Leeds University doing Medicine,Rob i could tell you some stats and the feeling within the Uni but that is not to be put on here,but the mood is not good.
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Please expand, all unis have a lot of foreign students and they put in a lot of money into the uni via tuition fees.

As with immigration, net immigration is less than actual immigration intake. Our birth rate is not large enough to sustain our aging population and so immigration will be required to help fill the void.

Global population will rise to a peak of around 9-10 billion and with climate change refugees almost certain this will require countries to take in those who have lost homes to sea rises and drought
 
'net immigration is less than actual immigration intake'
Amazing what gets taught at school these days.
PS - FYI net immigration is the population of Hull moving here every year.

'Again, the stories of one or two people'
I took my Grandson in the the RUH Bath last Autumn, he was very unwell.
We were ushered into a waiting area for the very young and joined 5 other families waiting for their children to be attended.
All 5 families were foreign.

No validity, just my experience.
 
Mind the gap! said:
1. As with immigration, net immigration is less than actual immigration intake.

Our birth rate is not large enough to sustain our aging population and so immigration will be required to help fill the void.
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1. What does that mean? If you allow in 100 you have a net of 100 nothing more nothing less. Are you trying to say. We let in 100 but 110 leave? As that's not true either.
2. Study history, life goes in cycles. You have the baby boom like just towards the end of the war, then you had the lull. Then the baby boomers had kids and so on etc. Anyway with life expectancy rising will increase the population.
But why do we need to fill voids?
 
Redprintt said:
'net immigration is less than actual immigration intake'
Amazing what gets taught at school these days.
PS - FYI net immigration is the population of Hull moving here every year.

'Again, the stories of one or two people'
I took my Grandson in the the RUH Bath last Autumn, he was very unwell.
We were ushered into a waiting area for the very young and joined 5 other families waiting for their children to be attended.
All 5 families were foreign.

No validity, just my experience.
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So should families have to suffer and perhaps have their children develop long term avoidable illnesses and injuries because they are a different nationality?
 
RedorDead said:
1. What does that mean? If you allow in 100 you have a net of 100 nothing more nothing less. Are you trying to say. We let in 100 but 110 leave? As that's not true either.
2. Study history, life goes in cycles. You have the baby boom like just towards the end of the war, then you had the lull. Then the baby boomers had kids and so on etc. Anyway with life expectancy rising will increase the population.
But why do we need to fill voids?
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A working population is needed to look after pre-working age groups and post-working age groups.
 
Mind the gap! said:
A working population is needed to look after pre-working age groups and post-working age groups.
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Not true yet again, men don't retire at 65 or women at 60 no more. This has been raised to suit the person. So along with longer life's the working life is also increased.
Also with the pension regulations, the older population will be paying for themselves in years to come.
I don't know where you are getting these from, but they ain't all true.

I have noticed you never commented again on the gold reserve v utilities sell off.
 
Except people retire early and despite the age going up for retirement the number of older people requiring care is only going to increase.

As for the utility thing, business like that would bring in money year on year for the government, we could guarantee sufficient investment and not have people be ripped off by foreign investors
 
By being members of the eu this means its harder to re-nationalise utilities mind the gap. The eu wants its members to be able to bid to run utility services in member countries.
 
'So should families have to suffer and perhaps have their children develop long term avoidable illnesses and injuries because they are a different nationality?'

MTG, what are you like.
Of course not.
Don't you see the hundreds of thousands who come here are putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS.
Just like schools.
Roads
Housing
Our entire infrastructure can't/won't cope.

Vote remain and we won't have a say in our future, it will all be from Brussels.
 
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When Labour politicians say investment in people and jobs, they mean extra borrowing and extra taxes on working people, hence less money for workers, we are still paying off debt from the last Labour debacle because they couldn't control the financial or banking businesses and they let credit rip.

Every time there is a Labour government we as a country end up nearly bankrupt, mark my words the lunatics are on the rise and will soon take over the asylum, just look at Jeremy Corbyn, the new Labour excuse, he is going to send out our submarines unarmed, the spineless piece of meat, god help us if we vote to stay in the EU.
 
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Mind the gap! said:
Please expand, all unis have a lot of foreign students and they put in a lot of money into the uni via tuition fees.

As with immigration, net immigration is less than actual immigration intake. Our birth rate is not large enough to sustain our aging population and so immigration will be required to help fill the void.

Global population will rise to a peak of around 9-10 billion and with climate change refugees almost certain this will require countries to take in those who have lost homes to sea rises and drought
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Practically every word of this is complete nonsense!
 
wizered said:
When Labour politicians say investment in people and jobs, they mean extra borrowing and extra taxes on working people, hence less money for workers, we are still paying off debt from the last Labour debacle because they couldn't control the financial or banking businesses and they let credit rip.

Every time there is a Labour government we as a country end up nearly bankrupt, mark my words the lunatics are on the rise and will soon take over the asylum, just look at Jeremy Corbyn, the new Labour excuse, he is going to send out our submarines unarmed, the spineless piece of meat, god help us if we vote to stay in the EU.
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Debt and borrowing has increased significantly under the current government v labour.
 
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