The time has come now for MM to go he is lost now and have no idea what to try next It's time for a younger man with more modern ideas We have no quality in any position and that is down to MM, has he lost the faith of the players or has the players lost the faith of him, either way his time is up Go now and allow our team to flourish-- if not, we will find ourselves in a relegation fight and one I'm not confident of winning with him at the head I was at the KC last night and I was horrified at how bad we are, we couldn't win an argument at the moment and MM is definitely not the manager he once was For the love of god Go and Go quickly
Too early for that kind of talk IMO but I understand the frustration especially for anyone who travelled there last night. Is it down to MM or ME or a bit of both? Who knows? Pre season it seemed like we did some shrewd deals, but I think we're lacking the investment in a decent RB and CM.
Don't worry, it will all come out soon that Marcus has been using us for tax purposes, doesn't want us to get out of the league because he'll be found out and will be banned from football......maybe.
" Don't worry, it will all come out soon that Marcus has been using us for tax purposes, doesn't want us to get out of the league because he'll be found out and will be banned from football......maybe. " San Diego is it April fools day or something!? Can I assume the pre match talk for the Norwich play off games was taken by Marcus Evans - " Alright lads, put in a good performance and try hard - however, if you make the final you're not allowed to go up " Just want to know if you're being serious first!
Okay lets play devils advocate here which I'm happy to do- * We lose to Forest, I don't see a change happening. * We lose to Forest + Cardiff ( doesn't get any easier ) - same. * We lose to Forest + Cardiff + Bolton......... MAYBE. * Rotherham is next too.... I think these four games give us the chance to get our season back on track. Rotherham + Bolton are going to be right down there, Forest awful at home and Cardiff a mixed bag. If we're in a right mess after these four games then I may have to reassess my thought process further - I'm not at all happy with no win in 6, but be it Mick or whoever when we hit a sticky patch ( this is the stickiest patch we've had under Mick ) personally I'd like to show a little faith. What I am going to say specifically regarding Mick is this however. * I can very much understand how as an individual how he could rub some fans up the wrong way. * The style of play generally is p*** poor I'm not going to say otherwise however until this 6 games, lets be clear, it's been pretty good under Mick RESULTS WISE. * Anyone wanting Mick to come out guns blazing in a press conference and say what we're all thinking - it's never going to happen. He's always going to say this player was fantastic this player was, the opposition are good etc etc.... it's never going to change. I'd rather that than Jewell or Keane tell the world our plans! It's frustrating to a point but if I was a manager I'd keep everything internal too..... moronic to not. Where are Keane and Jewell now? Exactly. Again though, if Mick goes, who do you want in, and why?
No, not serious. It wouldn't surprise me if something like that happened though. I was just messing about thinking of reasons why Marcus won't spend on transfer fees and that was one of the ideas I came up with.
It's funny how fickle football fans are. Now, I've always said that I feel Mick is a 3 season manager. When he came to us, he was the right man at the right time, perfect at steadying the ship, tightening up the defence, and playing as a solid team, which we lacked for a few seasons prior. 90% of you on here have been singing his praises ever since he set off foot in our club, and that we should have faith in him, and he will do the club proud (which, to an extent he has). Now, all of a sudden, after a handful of poor performances and results, a lot of you are demanding he has to go. Really?? After our only bad wobble since he's been here? Lets put it into context. he's been here virtually three years now, and the transformation this club has gone through in that little time is pretty big. We were a laughing stock, were conceding 4 and 5 goals on a regular basis (who could forget the 7 goal drubbing by the mighty Peterborough), we had a squad full of premiership has-beens on lucrative contracts, two clueless managers, we had a chief executive who's sole achievement was making our turnstiles look pretty, and we were languishing right at the bottom of the division. Now, fast forward three years. We have a squad full of team players, were two games away from promoted to the premiership last season, we have players in our squad which other teams were wanting to buy for upwards of £7m, we have some very promising youngsters coming through, and we're still in the top half of the league with 34 games to go. Now boys, as I said above, this is the first time we've had such a wobble in 3 years, so lets not be hasty. Every club goes through a bad patch at some point. It's still early days, and still plenty of time for the team to turn it around. I'm not a fan of getting rid of managers mid season, as I think it totally messes with the players and the team. Lets give Mick and the boys a chance, se what they're made of, and assess the situation at the end of the season. I think Yorkie was a little bit hasty in thinking we could be in a relegation dogfight - yes, we're pretty poor at the moment, but we have a decent enough team to see us out of this mess. In my opinion, Mick should be given to the end of this season, then I believe it will be time for him to go, so we can find a younger, more progressive manager.
I agree that it's too early to talk about sacking McCarthy. Getting rid of him now would strike me as a 'be careful what you wish for' scenario, as he has improved us season-on-season, thus far, and, with the current transfer budget/wage structure how it apparently is, I cannot see how somebody new could feasibly and consistently improve on what he has done. This ideal 'young, progressive manager' who can come in and get us promoted, while playing attractive football, is a nice concept, and one we should arguably look towards in the near future. However, I believe for that approach to actually work in reality; the squad would need overhauling, particularly in defence. The likes of Chambers and Smith just do not look comfortable in possession.
Agreed but with no win in 6, a " defence " that is shipping goals for fun, strikers rotated allowing no partnership to happen, Gerken still in goal, and a poor style of play to boot questions are going to have to be asked. Lets hope the next four games we can get 7-10 points from and get our season back on track.
You make a few valid points stretchy but can't you see that MM as a manager is very old fashioned with his style and tactics and yes he has done very well in turning our fortunes around- but I don't believe he is competent enough to take us to the next level and that is why I think now is a good time for change The players we have are talentless IMO but these same players took us to the brink last year, so what's changed, is it is being clueless or opposition have adapted their tactics and are beating us easily this is where MM is weak as he chops and change his team every week looking for that magical formula A new younger man would I believe be able to get the most out of our squad with a couple of signings and who knows what could happen But like I said I'm really fearful this season while MM is at the head
I'm with you 100% Yorkie that he needs to go, but not mid-season. A new manager will have the same players to work with, therefore I can't see there being too much of a difference. yes, short term we may get a few wins, but ultimately there won't be too much of a swing in fortunes (Mick seems to get the best out of these average players) Yes, a new man can chuck in some of the youngsters, but would that be a good idea, in a team that is really struggling for confidence? It could make it worse for them. And anyway, are there any good young managers out of work atm? Anyone we could realistically prise away? I say give it til Christmas, lets see where we are then, then we can scream n shout at the manager.
I agree with Nuggets, it's a be careful what you wish for scenario. If we got a new manager but still no worthwhile investment it could set us back years.
Some good points in this thread. I am definitely in the Mick out camp (in truth I never wanted him or his ugly brand of football here in the first place) but I don't see him going anywhere in the short term unless things go very wrong. We have enough winable games coming up to maintain us in mid table and him in a job. The economics of sacking him and TC are such that it probably wont happen unless he loses the fans, as Keane and Jewell did eventually, and he has to go to maintain match day income. Longer term I'm not sure I really trust Marcus Evans not to choose another dinosaur whose best days are long behind him. What I would really like is for him to appoint Brian Klug as football supremo, to oversee all on pitch activity from Academy to First Team. Brian should be responsible for appointing the next manager; someone who will have the same approach to football as that coached in the Academy to make the transition from development to senior squads easier, ie pass and move, not effort-based hoofball. If it is a coach from within, even better. It would be brilliant one day to see coaches progressing up to the first team with their players - well, I can dream. No doubt we'll get someone who has 'done it before', ignoring the fact that he has as many failures as successes in his CV.
