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England manager should be ENGLISH...

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  1. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher believes England are 'cheating' by having a foreign manager in charge of the national team.

    Totally agree rather lose with pride than cheat and win.
     
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  2. itfcptc

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    I completely agree, surely the point of having a national competition is that you use what you have available from the pool of your nation. The problem is it needs to happen on a worldwide before it would make a jot of difference even if we did have an english manager ourselves.
     
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  3. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    I'm 50-50 in agreement.

    I understand why people say that, however I believe Ericsson did a top job. Also, Capello like him or not has the highest win percentage of an England manager of all time I think. Can't really argue with that.
     
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  4. Guru of Ipswich

    Guru of Ipswich Well-Known Member

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    I'm split on this one, I definately don't agree employing a manager who struggled with the lingo like Capello, surely it hampers the job too much! But if we haven't got anybody good enough, then surely we must look outside of our country.

    Would people be more against having a Scot managing England than a Swede or Italian?
     
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  5. HangingHog FC

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    Its not rocket science ... The clue is in the name ENGLAND ... Players english , Manager english ... Then perhaps we would see us playing the english game , win ,lose or draw would rather have a English manager . Mr HR would do nicely.
     
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  6. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    Rednapps CV compared to Fabios CV is pathetic Harry gas achieved nothing other than an irritating facial tick....

    Born: 18 June 1946, San Canzian d'Isonzo, Gorizia, Italy.

    Playing Record:

    1964–1967 SPAL
    1967–1969 Roma
    1969–1976 Juventus
    1976–1979 AC Milan

    Honours

    Italy - Serie A winner: 1971-72, 1972-73, 1974-75 (Juventus); 1978-79 (AC Milan); Coppa Italia: 1968-69 (Roma); 1976-77 (AC Milan)

    National Team

    1972–1976 Italy (32 caps, 8 goals)

    Coaching Record

    1991–1996 AC Milan
    1996–1997 Real Madrid
    1997–1998 AC Milan
    1999–2004 Roma
    2004–2006 Juventus
    2006–2007 Real Madrid

    Honours

    Italy - Serie A winners: 1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96 (AC Milan); 2000-01 (Roma); 2004-05, 2005-06 (Juventus)

    Spain - La Liga winners: 1996-97; 2006-07 (Real Madrid)

    UEFA Champions League winners: 1994 (AC Milan 4-0 Barcelona)

    UEFA European Super Cup winners: 1994 (AC Milan 2-0 Arsenal)

    Fabio Capello Factfile

    1964: Makes his professional debut for Ferrara side SPAL, beginning a playing career in which he also represented Roma, Juventus, AC Milan and earned 32 caps for Italy.

    14 November 1973: Scores the only goal of the game, three minutes from time, as Italy beat England at Wembley for the first time.

    1991: Appointed head coach of AC Milan.

    1992: Wins first of three successive Italian League titles.

    1993: Guides Milan to Champions League Final, where they are beaten 1-0 by Marseille.

    1994: Milan reach the Champions League final again, this time beating Barcelona 4-0. They later add the European Super Cup.

    1995: Milan reach their third successive Champions League Final but lose 1-0 to Ajax.

    1996: Leaves Milan after winning a fourth Scudetto in five seasons and is appointed Real Madrid coach.

    1997: Wins Spanish league title with Real, before returning for a second spell with Milan.

    1999: Takes over as coach of Roma.

    2001: Guides Roma to their first Scudetto for 18 years and only the third in their history.

    2004: Leaves Roma to take over as Juventus coach, winning the Scudetto in his first season.

    2006: May - Retains Scudetto with Juventus but they are later stripped of the title after match-fixing allegations.

    July - Appointed Real Madrid head coach for a second time.

    2007: Helps Real Madrid win their first league title in four years


    Harry

    FA Cup with Pompy, next year they went bust
     
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  7. Bigalreigned

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    "rather lose with pride than cheat and win"
    Trouble is with the likes of Turnip Head, Bottler Keegan,Brolly Wally etc we were still losing without any pride.
    I say get the best man for the job regardless of nationality
     
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  8. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    If you want an English coaching team it has to be Beckham and Phycho for me:emoticon-0103-cool:
     
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  9. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I agree, Carragher is just bitter because nobody picked him so he retired from England....Quitter, same as Scholes
     
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  10. tractor bhoy

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    Personally international football does not interest me at all but if you are prepared to admit that there isnt any decent Englishmen around to manage the country then surely it is no different to saying we have a lack of talent on the left wing and so allowing Gareth Bale to come and play.
    The whole eligibility argument is just crap if you ask me. You should only be allowed to represent (play or manage) he country of your or your parent birth. Wasnt David Johnson (the second one) allowed to represent any of the home nations or somewhere like Jamaica - simply crazy rule.
     
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  11. Guru of Ipswich

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    SN23, I would say that Harry was far more equipt to take the job because just for fact that he could speak English, You could be the best coach in the world but if you can't get your ideas across it means diddly squat! In an ideal world i would prefer an English coach, but the next best thing is a foreign coach with at least a decent grasp of the lingo.
     
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  12. Guru of Ipswich

    Guru of Ipswich Well-Known Member

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    I would love that rule to come in Tractorbhoy, then at least everybody would be on a level playing field. Wasn't Ryan Giggs allowed to play for England?
     
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  13. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

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    Giggs was not only eligable to play for England, He actually captained England at Schoolboy level!
     
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  14. johnnywarksmoustache

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    With our record of letting any old johnny foreigner into our country these days I don't see what the problem is!
     
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  15. cheddyblue

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    I think our recent english managers have shown that they have not got the tactical nous to manage at international level, and because of that I feel we should get jolly foreigners....
    The english teams that do well in europe are all managed by foreigners so our trouble is getting quality with european experience.
    We were never the same in europe after Heysel and players from that era sadly missed out on a lot, hopefully now we've had english players playing in europe for a few years they may progress into mangers and eventually england managers.
    I would love to see psycho in charge but I see him as a motivator ala keegan.

    My personal choice would be Warnock, average manager but won't take s*it from overpaid divas. He'd get rid of all those who think they own the shirt and give it to those who have earned it, want to wear it, and are proud to wear it.

    I think those that Scholes pointed out in his interview about cliques should all be dropped. Since when did playing for club become greater than country?
    It is those players who let us down and should go.
    Bring in players who don't want to play handbags in the playground.
    ********* Rant over.
     
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  16. Guru of Ipswich

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    The one thing thats really gets my angry, is when people preach on about how we must copy the style of foreign teams. Foreign teams hated playing against us in the old days because they knew that they would get the game played at 100 mph and the crosses would get flung in at the earliest oppotunity with a big centre forward ready to run through a brick wall to win the ball. I know the game has change with regards to tackling and how much you can get away with, but its almost like we have lost pride in ourselves and our great nation!
     
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  17. Strattonblue

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    I dont care about the Manager's nationality. I think that it would help if he knew the English game, so I think that it should be somebody who has managed in the premiership
     
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  18. johnnywarksmoustache

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    I am far more concerned with all things Ipswich than anything England!

    I gave up supporting England years ago so basically I couldn't give a toss who the next manager is! <ok>
     
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  19. cheddyblue

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    Guru I slightly agree that we should play the 'english' way but the flip side is we need to know the foreign game to play against it and we can only get that from managers who have managed abroad.
     
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  20. Blue Monkey

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    I'm with Warky

    Supporting England is for corporate types, the EDL and sado masochists

    Booooo!!!!!
     
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