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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Kempton, May 24, 2022.
Watching this in my lunchbreak - "Very funny in places, unfunny in others" Perfect summary
I’d recommend it. Also give Sweeney Todd a whirl. Obviously not as your barber, because…you know…you’ll be brutally murdered and put in a pie.
It has worked for several insurgencies that the US has failed to defeat, for all its might.
Quite ironic that a lot of the same people screaming for gun control in the States and saying no US citizen needs or deserves to own a semi-auto rifle are celebrating the bravery of untrained Ukrainian civilians posing with Kalashnikovs
The argument for gun control in the US was lost after Sandy Hook. If the country couldn't come together after that and agree "never again" like we did after Dunblane, Australia did after Port Arthur, NZ did after Christchurch, then nothing will be that catalyst for change.
I was actually working in the US when Sandy Hook happened. My colleagues went from shock and horror to shrugging shoulders within 48 hours, and effectively said it's too hard to fix so they've got to live with it. As far as they're concerned, there's no magic wand to solve the problem, so why bother trying? It needs tackling from multiple angles (numbers of guns, culture, mental health, gun & ammo licensing, returning the NRA to a gun safety club not a manufacturer's lobbying organisation, reconsideration of the meaning of the 2nd Amendment) and would take a generation to bring the numbers down to something comparable to the rest of western democracy. But it's Too Hard, so we'll mourn those lives lost and move on and wait for the next time. Horrific.
Are they ?
What a stupid thing to say.
Don’t care, didn’t ask.
My response has always been “well you obviously care more about your guns than you do about your children”.
They don’t like that, but I’ve yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
I got involved in a discussion on an American pro-gun forum, and it was incredible, and would have been as funny as **** if it wasn't so concerning.
They seemed very ill-informed, claiming we couldn't have guns at all. I pointed out that I have quite a few friends that have a variety of guns for hunting, gun clubs and even work, and I could get one too if I filled in what is a relatively simple form, but I have absolutely no interest in having one.
They were commenting on terrorism in the UK, and claiming it wouldn't happen in America, because they had guns. I pointed out that we'd lost fewer people to terrorism than they've lost children in schools, which lead them on to security, which opened up the fact our kids don't have to go through airport style security every day.
They even tried to claim that having guns means they can protest, which struck me as a bizarre claim. I asked them to point me at any protests in America that had only gone ahead because they had guns.
They absolutely melted when I responded to their claim of them being somehow 'heroic' for having them by pointing out we don't hide behind something and fire bits of lead at each other, but actually get right up close and personal.
I own an AR-15. I would use it without hesitation to protect my children, and yours. So much for your lack of evidence.
I see the the police spokesman giving the press conference in the town where the school shooting took place is floundering like a fish out of water. Loads of police with guns turned up quite early on in the incident but decided to wait 45 minutes for some other armed police to arrive and take on the shooter.
No idea who were the 5 or 6 blokes stood behind the podium with the 10 gallon hats.
I couldn't agree more.
I remember a conversation on Facebook a few years ago with a pro gun person saying "yes but the UK has an even worse problem with knife crime." I calmly pointed out that America has an even bigger problem than the UK with knife crime and that they could get back to me when a school is attacked by somebody with a semi automatic kitchen knife.
It then moved onto "well arming teachers will stop shooters." Will it? If I was going to storm somewhere with firearms, the first thing I'd do is scope out exactly who was carrying a weapon so that I could take them out first. I mean that's so ****ing stupid a reason it's unreal. Because now the kids don't even need to bring a gun into school, the teachers already have them in there; no background check needed, no waiting period, just firearms in the same room as you. So if two or three disgruntled students pin down the teacher, they now have a fully loaded weapon they can use.
The Americans, for all their bluster, don't seem that clued up on other nations' stances, probably because if they allowed themselves to, then the populous would start asking some serious questions.
Guns are designed to kill people, it's their exact function, so claiming they "need one" is bullshit in 2022, they want one and they like owning them because it makes them feel tough. If it's to defend their family, then how else do the rest of the world cope when there's a break in? Why, with bravery and strength of course. Like you say, we aren't afraid to get up in the face of people and sort **** out.
I don't buy the "in case of a tyrannical government either." They vote for their government just like we do, if there was any hint of tyranny, they wouldn't get the vote would they? They've been a country for 246 years, so they're 246-0 on tyrannical governments trying to kill their citizens and I'd wager in 100 years they'd still be out for a duck.
I don't own an AR-15 and even if I could, I wouldn't. I could own, say, a shotgun or a 9mm, but no. I literally don't need to. And neither does any other human being that doesn't live in Damascus or Mariupol.
Oh they're the ones who'll say it's a mental health problem and not a gun problem.
Before 2014, did you think Ukrainians didn’t need to own guns?
No, but I'm sure if America is invaded by Canada or Mexico or a force 20 times it's size, it'll soften my stance.
If the guns are to defend themselves and others why did the highly armed police force stand outside of the school for 45 minutes whilst they could hear children getting shot dead .
Not much bearing arms for defence going on there was there ?
Guns make you big strong and brave when you have the biggest gun, taking on someone without a gun or you're sure you can get the first shots away.