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Don't cut ' n' run -Gerard

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  1. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    <peacedove>Steve Gerard has appealed to Sterling to sign the paper infront
    of him. Sterling Contract expires 2017.
    Good job Steve.<applause><applause>
     
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  2. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    needs an edit <laugh>

    hope he signs, just worry with our past **** ups with players on silly money, that we don't reward the players we should be trying to keep hold of, as we have been burnt before.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    As a man at 20 I am sorry but he has done enough to pay the going rate and frankly we can ALWAYS move a player like him on... all it takes is one good world cup or euros <laugh> (laughing at the thought of england doing anything at any comp)

    this cheap assed **** has to stop.
     
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  4. RogerisontheHunt

    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    Its the Arsenal approach, unwilling to bend on wage packets for your best players. Its very principled and seems good financially, only problem is footballers are greedy and then all your players end up at Man Citeh cause clubs like that are willing to pay.
    You then of course never progress as a team or club cause you are constantly losing your best players and receiving either no money or half the value as the contract enters its last year.
     
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  5. saintanton

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    Yeah- I'd be highly insulted if someone offered me a mere £70k a week.
     
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  6. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Pay me 70k a month I would play every Day ! :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  7. Sir_Red

    Sir_Red Well-Known Member

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    Fairness is all relative though. The fact is if I were sterling I would be asking for more. Especiall when so many of our dross players are on about that.
     
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  8. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    <laugh>



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  9. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    you probably would be if you thought your efforts to the team should be more rewarded than others. fair argument as well.

    yeah in the grand scheme of things it is silly that they HAVE THE NERVE to turn down this type of money for better, but its the way the game has gone, and if we want to compete at the top, we cant be tight asses as far as the value to the team is worth and not offer what they are worth, or they will go elsewhere.

    loyalty doesn't exist anymore, that died probably when the money got silly in the game.
     
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  10. saintanton

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    Of course I understand this, but the fact is that the ridiculous agent-driven wage demands of footballers is a major factor in the game being lost to the grass-roots public and handed over to the prawn sandwich brigade - and the situation worsens continually.
    Sterling's demands (do we even know what they are yet?) may seem reasonable if you take a snapshot of the current wage structure, but look at the big picture and that structure is ultimately untenable.
    Already the mega-rich clubs get whatever or whoever they want, the middling clubs risk bankruptcy trying to break into the clique, and anyone further down doesn't have a snowball's of competing.
    Eventually the bubble will burst -maybe not a bad thing- but for the moment the game is a corruption-riddled corporate plaything, and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Yeah but why should sterling care?

    He wants 100k v 70k on offer

    #firstworldproblem
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Put it this way anyone transferred in to play with him will be on more

    Johnson is on more

    Skertl is on 70k

    And the list goes on.... If you take 30k per week over 4 years say that is 6 mil you'd be leaving behind before tax

    Sorry but I'd not be letting that go when my career might be over in 5 years

    Hazard just got 200k per week worth 50 odd mil to him... Now he need never worry about money or his kids so he can focus on being a great

    Some players chase moves rather than medals to get that... I'd rather get the money dealt with and get the medal chase on
     
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  13. organic red

    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Spot on Saint <applause>
     
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  14. saintanton

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    Just because it happens doesn't make it right.
    It seems forgotten now that our current owners rescued us from the brink of financial oblivion and are trying to run the club as a viable business. This fact is getting drowned out by the clamour of people so desperate for us to succeed that they want us to throw endless amounts of money that we don't have in an attempt to do so.
    Won't this just take us back to where we were before?
    Money has turned the off- field aspects of football to ****, frankly, and whilst there's precious little I can do about it, I'm not going to sit back and watch its demolition without my little mouse-squeak of resistance.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    saint that is correct but if you want lfc at the top they have to pay the going rate.... think baout it like this winston reid at west ham wants 80k.... if lfc cannot compete with even west ham you might as well close the doors.
     
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  16. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Gerrard is hardly one to take advice from. He headed down to the lure of the Chelsea millions before accepting a bumper deal at Liverpool, making the highest paid player at the club
     
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  17. You're right, nobody should take advice from Gerrard. I guess Barkely should move on asap then <whistle>

    Of course, you could not try to wum and just recognise the club had let his contract run down and not spoken to him about renewing it.
     
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  18. saintanton

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    I understand you're being pragmatic and I'm talking about principles which are largely impractical these days- however, I'm not just Quixotically tilting at the windmill of big business.
    We have to operate within our means, even if this means we struggle to compete with the really big spenders. Of course, we are big spenders compared with the majority of clubs, but still short of the clout that the Reals and Citehs of the footballing world hold.
    The problem for us is not so much the amount of money we spend, but how we spend it. I think FSG have been very good in releasing funds that keep us viable, but are probably frustrated at how poorly spent they seem to be- repeatedly.
    I said before the season started that I thought we'd bought too many new players to gel instantly. That has been proven the case, as many of those who may well turn out to be good have had to be withheld from the starting line-up in a (vain) attempt to achieve some sort of continuity with last season.
    I do believe that a couple of world-class players in key positions would be enough to restore the balance, and I think we should have spent accordingly, rather than the magpie approach we took.
    However, we must learn from our mistakes and not keep making them. I do agree that in Sterling's case we need to do whatever we can to keep him, but we can't take the attitude that we have to constantly compete with the big guns.
    I don't want us to end up like Leeds.
     
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  19. Remember we have a pay structure, we offer a basic wage with lots of bonus payments that boost a wage.

    Example; a player may want £80k per week, we'll offer £60k per week with bonus payments making it possible for them to earn £100k per week.

    Means the basic commitment is low and keeps our books looking good but if the players performs well and helps the team progress they deservedly get more than they ask for.
     
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  20. carlthejackal

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    Yes . Rodgers bought too many players for too much money to support a first team he thought was at the top of the class. He totally miscalculated the strength of the first team and should have gone for two or three top signings instead of signing dozens of moderate quality players on very high wages.

    Although looking at the wide picture no one can argue that the players in the premiership are overpaid. Especially if the salaries are compared with other national leagues like the bundesliga and others. Too many clubs chasing so called top talent. Supply and demand. But sterling and his agents deal with the club and has no interest in the big picture or the long term good of the game. They are looking at the players who are paid WELL above him and see them lounging around, sitting on the bench and contributing **** all whilst he is contributing the most and is the main man. It is no different to being in a team,grafting and doing most the key work but being paid £40k a year whilst the other people who do much less are paid £50k. The figures are different but the principles are the same.

    I think that if balotelli is paid £80 k/week then sterling would be entitled to ask for £160k. The question the owners have to ask themselves is: if they did let sterling go, how much would they need to spend on a replacement ? Transfer fees and wages, would they spend only £70k? If they had to spend 150-160k is this not just being plain stupid. Whereas tying him for another 5 years on £160k might give the club a HUGE transfer fee in 2-3 years time. Viewed from this angle it is a no brainer.

    Give him the contract now and the club can get a big boost.
     
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