Having witnessed a good performance by Saints I am still concerned where we are in table especiially with QPR winning tonight. I feel aggrieved that we had a good goal disallowed and I started to think that over the course of a season wrong decisions by an official will detrimentally effect the teams lower down the table, as they are more likely to make fewer chances so any disallowed goal Has a more disportionate negative effect over the course of the season. Also they are less likely to have a complete good quality squad unlike the bigger teams so are unlikely to be able to make good any dubious suspensions due to poor decisions. What do other people think as I am concerned that we don't get our fair share of the rub of the green?
Hell yeah. Especially when you see Fergie shouting in the linesmans face the other day. Newcastle didn't get another 50/50 decision from him, & the FA's response.....no case to answer. Really annoys me, if Nigel had done that (yeah right, like he would anyway) they would chuck the book at him. Big clubs get more calls & it does not even out. There, my tenpennith.
I think it's probably true, but we definitely got the rub of the green against Stoke, and we didn't manage to take advantage. We can't complain about that game really, as they had two good penalty shouts - one stone cold - and a player wrongly sent off. I think teams like us have to factor these decisions into our game, and make sure that play with this in mind. So when we go 1-0 up, for example, don't lock up and try to defend the game out. The other point to remember is that if we're getting those decisions, then so are those around us - Reading a prime example on a few occasions - so in some ways it helps us out.
We have had some go for us in recent weeks. I think one thing that is happening is that we get bad referees for both teams. And it is so frustruting watching some of the inept displays.
I didn't say bigger teams don't ever ever get bad decisions against them, I said are the smaller teams effected more because of the size and quality of their squads.
A bad decision is more likely to have an adverse effect on a result for a lower side because they have fewer chances. Fonte's nailed on hand ball against Stoke was missed so we dodged one there, but the foul on Yoshida in the Arsenal match should have been a valuable penalty. We must remember that we don't know if QPR, Wigan etc have been robbed as well.
1) It evens out, for everyone, over a season. 2) Everyone feels they're hard done by. Even Fergie genuinely believes Man Utd get more adverse decisions than other teams. He's wrong, of course, but he believes it. 3) Referees are human and make mistakes, and this can never be completely irradicated. However, they are professionals who do their jobs to the best of their abilities so constantly haranguing them helps no-one. Players and managers should show respect, as our manager does. 4) There is a culture of cheating in football that really needs to be addressed.
I think many people have missed the point here. If in a game you score three goals and one is incorrectly disallowed by the ref but you go on to win then the impact of the poor decision is neglible. If you are a struggling club and a single goal will settle a game then a disallowed goal has possibly cost you two points. That is what happened against Arsenal in a game we should have won three nil with a better ref. The OP's comments are in fact correct.
Agreed. The decisions we got against say Stoke, we would not have had against say Utd. Big clubs benefit from decisions more than smaller clubs, we see it every week, but we just have to deal with it (and maybe buy the ref a nice bottle of red at Xmas time -cough fergie).
I think a lot of pressure is put on ref by the big clubs fans reaction to decisions. Refs who give decisions against 40-65k vocal home fans get absolutely battered whereas when they get things wrong against either small clubs like 12k Wigan fans or indeed relatively quiet or non aggressive fans like ours, there isn't that pressure applied so they "get away" with it
I dont think that refs are intentionally biased at all to any team. I feel they sometimes make quick decisions which they might regret later on, and although this may have seemed to have happened to us a few times, this does happen to every team and every team's fans feel that the ref went against their team. It's just part of the game.
If video technology was brought in and hypothetically all decisions (that really we love to debate as part of the beautiful game) were almost objectively judged in retrospect, this would no doubt benefit the bottom half of the Prem and disadvantage the top of this I have absolutely no doubt.
Man U get more decisions go their way than anyone else; this is the conclusion I've come to in my years of watching football.
