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Debunking the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

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  1. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    A great show on national geographic last night were they had a load of experts debunk some of the myths surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067

    Controlled demolision

    In order to bring down a building the girders have to be blown away. The concreete has to be stripped from around the girders and charges set in place. To bring down the twin towers 46 girders would have to be taken down.

    No one seen exposed girders with charges on them up on the top floors were the building started to collapse.

    No charges were found within the rubble. The response to this by the "truthers" was that a super-thermite used by the military never before seen could have been used.

    The girders melting

    Well they didn't melt and the scientists said this, but they did demonstrate that a fire using aviation fuel could warp steel after just 3 minutes.

    The pentagon crash was actually a missile

    Showed a 3D reconstruction created by scientists that demonstrated how the airplane could make such an impact. The "truthers" also said about there being a lack of material showing a plane had crashed yet they showed countless numbers of photographs showing otherwise.

    And the big sticking point was the witnesses who saw a plane flying low over their heads before seeing a huge fireball as it expolded into the pentagon.

    A very good watch, I'm sure it will be repeated or maybe you can catch it online.
     
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  2. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    You're just asking for your debunking to be debunked, aren't ye?
     
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  3. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Nah, you're alright.
     
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  4. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    CONSPIRACY VS. SCIENCE
    Conspiracy theories are put to the test. How well do they stand up against the visual simulations of professional engineers? See how science supports official stories and debunks the conspiracies below.

    THE COLLAPSE OF THE BUILDINGS

    Official Story: The collapse was caused by fire initially fed by the jet fuel from the planes.
    Testing the Official Story: Using original construction blueprints, photographs, and construction data, Purdue University, along with the American Society of Civil Engineers, created a model structure of the north World Trade Center tower and a scaled 767 jetliner. To model the fuel load, Purdue launched aluminum cans filled with liquid to represent an airline wing colliding with a steel column. The final simulation showed the internal destruction of supporting columns, the disintegration of the jetliner, the atomizing of the fuel, and the resulting fires that softened the steel framework of the building and brought it down.

    Conspiracy: The fire could not have gotten hot enough to melt the steel.
    Science: The Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center (EMRTC) designed explosives to test the effects of burning jet fuel on steel. EMRTC used a bare steel beam because the National Institute of Standards and Technology reports that much of the any fireproofing material would have been knocked off at the moment of impact. Within two minutes of igniting the fuel, the temperature peaked just above 2,000 Fahrenheit and complete structural failure occurred in less than four minutes.

    Conspiracy: The collapse was caused by controlled demolition.
    Science: The film crew recorded the demolition of a college dormitory building to learn all that is involved in the process of prepping and loading. The first step was to expose the columns in order to attach explosives to them. The World Trade Center had 47 inner core columns that would have needed to be prepared. To cut the steel beams the demolition team used a shape charge, which is piece of copper apportioned to a shape-charged weapon. When an explosive is attached and ignited, the device implodes and forms a stream of liquid copper that cuts through the steel. A demolition of this scale would leave clear evidence behind, but no such traces were found at Ground Zero.

    Conspiracy: Thermite, which is less traceable, was used in the controlled demolition that brought down the towers.
    Science: Some Truthers claim that pulverized dust found by some New Yorkers after the attack contained the chemical signature of thermite. Scientists assert that even if this dust did contain thermite, it would be impossible to determine whether the thermite came from a controlled demolition or simply from the melting of the airplanes. EMRTC designed an experiment to see if thermite was a plausible option in the collapse of the towers. The thermite in the test was not even able to melt a column much smaller than those in the World Trade Center.


    THE ATTACK ON THE PENTAGON

    Official Story: Hijackers caused a commercial airplane to crash into the building.
    Testing the Official Story: Purdue University created a visual simulation of the crash, which indicated the victims’ bodies would have been pushed forward in relation to one another, just as they were in the actual attack. To further investigate, EMRTC launched a projectile into a simulated structure. They did not include wings in the projectile model because Purdue asserted they were of little consequence as the Pentagon was so heavily reinforced. The experiment created a hole in the structure the approximate size of the projectile - similar to photo evidence from the actual attack.

    Conspiracy: The Pentagon was either bombed or hit by a missile.
    Science: EMRTC also planted an explosive in the same model structure and compared the results to photos of the Pentagon after the crash. The explosive test demonstrated a different sort of damage. The structure blew out from the point of the explosion, causing complete destruction of floors and walls. This dispersed debris did not match the photo evidence.
     
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  5. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    All conjecture by scientists who have been proved wrong before and will continue to be proved wrong on occasions in the future.

    Really does not prove anything.

    One way or the other.

    Like the Lunar Landings it will continue to be shrouded in mystery and misinformation.

    Much like the oft talked about conspiracies directed at Celtic FC in fact.
     
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  6. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    please log in to view this image
     
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  7. Null

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    ****in hell...

    Another 9/11 thread that will descend into to tit for tat bullshit arguements (for 30 pages)!
     
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  8. Nazara

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    **** sake dont start another 9/11 thread
     
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  9. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    No, I solved it for everybody. P Diddy is wot did it.
     
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  10. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    And what precisely is wrong with reasoned argued debate Pud?
     
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    Null Well-Known Member
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    <laugh> Nothing wrong with reasonable debate ...

    This is not the place to find it though!
     
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  12. AdamBanana20

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    We did land on the moon,go to a observation deck in USA and you'll be able to see the U.S flag.
     
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  13. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    That's just hokus pokus.

    They're letting you see what they want you to think you are seeing.

    Smoke an mirrors mate, smoke and mirrors.

    Schoolboy magic.
     
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    How do you know that it wasn't down to aliens coming to earth, stealing the US flag and then planting it on the moon?
     
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  15. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    Thats a very valid point actually.
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    did you know that there is loads of human excrement in space, covering satellites etc

    there is a theory that technically this human shoite could start an alien race

    and you thought eddieee was mad
     
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  17. Simon21-LUFC

    Simon21-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Also Osama Bin Laden isn't actually dead....

    EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!
     
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  18. Tina_old

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    Diddy didny do it ya dumbass <doh>
     
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  19. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    Its likely he is still alive.

    No concrete proof and they got rid of the body without the world seeing.

    Dont be so naieve.
     
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  20. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I posted the proof. Done and dusted. Case closed. Move along.
     
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