DEAN HOLDEN remains in the running & BEATS 10 to become BCFC Head Coach

it is by no means uncertain that dean will not get the job ..the club does not want to upset the applecart to a degree that more than the odd apple drops off ………………………...

 

yep would be happy, as there is no proof as the number 2 he failed with his aspect of the job. It wouldn't surprise me had he not been consulted as to whether he felt comfortable with how things were going...….
they are in a flux of reinterviewing the main 3 contenders... to get a close match to existing set up

 

Put some money on him then. He’s 9/1 whilst Alex Neil is 11/10 without any press announcement.

 

There is proof he failed and there is also proof that the existing set up has failed in it's core objective.

 

Keith Millen all over again if this happens.

 

Appointing Dean Holden would be an even bigger gamble than LJ - At le

Where? The few games he had in charge with someone else’s squad?
If that’s failure in your eyes then every manager in the entire league has failed - even Bailsa.
Would you sack someone as soon as they lose or draw a game? Bloody hell!!!!!
I’m not advocating employing Holden by the way (I think that would be a crazy risk) - just trying to understand how he ‘failed’ during his tiny tenure.

 

The failure is a group failure, manager and coaches. That makes him and Mcallister part of the problem.

The coaching has been appalling, the only improvement IMHO is a slight improvement with Diedhiou.

They rarely had the look of a well coached side.

 

The players deserve to be well coached by people they respect and I wonder if that credo was met over the last 3-4 years. I often wondered whether Lee truly had the players respect and when you look at our sold column it sort of tells me that our good ones couldn't wait to leave club. Our bank account got a boost from these sales but when I watch the play-offs I often wonder "what if"? As Jiffie said our downfall is a group failure and if you decide to keep some of those who contributed to that situation with the club in any capacity you have shown that the scenario is not going to change.

I would be totally surprised if we hire a new manager with the balls to say I think you need to change your philosophy otherwise you will assign yourself to permanent mediocrity, or worse. It's time for Bristol City to change and unless SL is prepared to re-write the playbook prior to the return of a normal life I think many will ask themselves why the hell should I bother?

 

You're right on that one Wiz and I wasn't aware that we had that many on the books who don't deserve the axe. I was only concerned about those who have a direct influence on training and the on-field dynamics.

 

Who said bin them all?

 

I suppose it’s a case of ‘where do you draw the line’?
Is an assistant head coach merely an extension of the main man? I’d say ‘no’, based upon Holden stopping the rot when LJ left and Pemberton doing the same when Cotts left.
Again, I must reiterate that employing Holden would be the wrong thing to do in my opinion, but I dont think he’s done a lot wrong. A victim of circumstance perhaps.

 

I don't see that this group and LJ was a failure by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, we didn't achieve the play-offs, but as a club, we are a million miles further on than when LJ took the reigns.

Such short memories from so many on here, sad really.

 

Absolutely spot and exactly what I believe.

I have been saying for months now, that when the wheels come off and the "we were great in training", "we go again", "I will have to pick players who I can trust" BS doesn't work and the coach descends into publicly blaming players, there will always be a point at which players will say "and what have you done as a coach" it's inevitable.

That is why not only for his managerial record in this league but also because he can cut it in the respect as a player column Hughton or somebody of that ilk has to be the choice, because some of the cheap options will suffer the same respect issues, yet again it's inevitable.

I just also would like to play devils advocate and state, that if Hughton truly wants the job and doesn't get the job, he is head and shoulders above anybody else who has been so far mentioned, BAME footballers/coaches can quite rightly call into question why is it we don't get jobs, IMHO. I don't see that as a very good image for the club if Holden or any of the other cheap options get the job.

 

I don't see anybody with short memories, he had 3 full seasons and failed, nobody has been able to explain our annual January to the end of the season collapses and that ultimately cost him his job, even with slightly less of a collapse we could have made the play offs in each of the 3 seasons.

He has left us in a better position, that is true and I for one thank him for that, but he failed in his quest for a minimum of a play off place.

The coaching has been poor, one player this season has in my view made a slight improvement all others have not, they are at best same old same old.

 

The main coaching staff are to blame, LJ, Holden and Mcalister. They ultimately oversee the training, they come up with selection, formation, tactics and substitutions etc. and all of that has been poor at least since January.

 

But Holden was there for the 3 seasons when the annual January rot set in, I think he has a case to answer.

 

just the one at the top apparently …..