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Cutting Out The Errors

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  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    These stats are from Dan Kennett:

    - The game against WBA was the 9th PL match (out of 62) where an LFC error directly impacted the match result.

    - We have lost 12 points in total as a result.

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    LFC Errors/Results Summary Under Rodgers:

    Zero errors: 27 games which results in 1.93 points per game (PPG)
    1 error: 15 games which results in 1.8 PPG
    > 1 error: 20 games which results in 1.4 PPG

    That is a whopping 32% of games where we make more than 1 mistake in a single game.

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    - Under Rodgers, our opponents have made >1 error in a game 10 times.
    - We've done it 20 times.

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    Just to put it into context:

    After Stoke, we'd made 59 errors in 59 games under Rodgers.
    The PL average is 40.
    Chelsea had just 23.

    So - what is the cause? Unsettled team? Tactics? ...
     
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  2. CCC

    CCC Poet Laureate

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    My guess would be an unsettled team. With injuries being quite extensive in our rather thin squad, and BR changing personel and/or formation to cope with it, it won't help our team to settle. If we can play the same team for a few games in a row I'd expect that figure to drop ... I'd hope anyway!
     
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  3. Lucas Talking

    Lucas Talking Well-Known Member

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    For what time period? Since BR has been at Liverpool?


    In regards to Sunday...
    [NSFW] Toure really should have ..
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I believe so <ok>
     
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  5. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Probably a mixture of both. Not having the players capable of being able to play the way BR wants (ie receiving the ball in tight areas and being able to pass it) will certainly contribute as it did with Toure on Sunday. He got the ball and was being closed down at that point he seemed to panic and try and pass to the person he normally passes to who was Skrtel.

    However, also having a settled back 4 is vital to cutting out mistakes. You form an understanding with each other and what each others strengths/weaknesses. What really annoyed me was when we had our whole defence fit, BR still wouldn't play a settled back 4. Now maybe he was trying to work out the best pairing, but unless you give them a run of games you can't form a decent opinion. Now we're in a situation where we're having to play a settled CB pairing which is arguably the worse.

    I guess we also have to remember that BR is only 1 1/2 years into his career with us. Now in today's modern age of managers lasting a year or so this may seem quite a while but in truth it's not. Each year we should see progression in the type of play.

    Also linked to another thread yesterday where was talking about our strongest 11 and how few of them are actually BR's signings. Now some of them, Suarez, Enrique would be first choice anyway, but I think until he get's the team in mainly his mould (would you see BR ever signing Skrtel & Johnson if they were available and not playing for us?). Once he builds his team in his method we can then truly judge him as a manager as well.
     
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  6. Lucas Talking

    Lucas Talking Well-Known Member

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    That is quite high, we are obviously one of the teams bringing that average figure up.
     
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  7. His view was obstructed too so he probably couldn't see Anichebe (sp?)
     
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  8. Aidan-lfc

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    Toure and Skrtel aren't the most cultured centre backs we have. In fact, none of our centre backs except Agger look particularly confident with the ball at foot, neither does Mignolet. But it's BR's way, they will learn to adapt.
     
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  9. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Harsh. Sakho looks good on the ball. He looks ungainly because his legs are so long, but he actually plays some good balls forward into peoples feet at pace as well.
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Harsh on both Toure and Sakho. Toure actually is a good ball playing defender who can run out of defence as well. We're forgetting that he's playing as LCB which is new territory for him - it's further evidence how simply playing on the different side of defence is not as easy as it seems i.e. why Sakho-Agger can't play together.

    Personally, Sakho is the only defender we have that I have full confidence in.
     
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  11. Rubbersoul

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    The way we play is going to cause errors, Chelsea May only have 23 errors but the way they play is safety first and push out.

    We play short passing, quick football which is going to cause errors as some of our defenders aren't great with the ball.

    Maybe Gerrard playing deep is to stop that. Kolos mistake was fully on his own, not a teams.

    On MOTD they said how because West Brom pressed high for the mistake! Kolos should of kicked it up field, clearly have never seen us play under Rodgers as he won't have us doing that, and in my opinion, I'd rather us play good stuff and cause errors (these errors will lessen each season) then caution football.
     
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  12. Livtor

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    It's idiotic to play any other way but safety first. You can do all the quick short passes you want AFTER getting out of your third, preferably out of your half.

    This is a good article. Should get more traction at the cost of letting some of the fluff here go unstroked.

    First, let's define Error. As used here, Error is any defensive mistake that leads to an opponent attempt at goal (or directly to a goal in case of own goal).

    According to Opta, we have made 29 such errors, THE leakiEST in the division. Embarassing, despite our injuries in defence.

    Who's at fault? Easy - a surefire combination of bad chemistry due to necessary and unnecessary shuffles of personnel, of bad ball playing players from GK up to CM and Rodgers exacerbating this preexistent shortcoming with stubborn tactics of using some of our beloved donkeys for equestrian courses.

    We shouldn't be embarassed at having some donkeys - they are a hardworking species that can do tasks that would ravage a thoroughbred - but it is insane and embarassing to take them out their natural element. Exploit their strengths, not their weaknesses as a Moyes type of genius would do, no?

    Brendan had done a great job tactic-wise in the final third, however we must do better in defence and CM or else the weaknesses there won't delay in leaking to our attack ability.
     
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  13. danilo.

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    Agger and Sakho can do a good job together and are two of our best defenders. Agger seems to be picking up his injury problems again unfortunately and Sakho needs to do some physio work to avoid having the same problems if at all possible.

    I hate the two left feet argument because you never see it when both are right footed. Such a stupid argument when you consider that they aren't even responsible for crossing the ball so it doesn't make too much of a difference. Both have traditionally played LCB but Agger probably won't be too bothered by playing RCB.

    I've read some on here claim that being comfortable on the ball is not important in the system. Its clear that it is given that without that composure, both Mignolet and the defenders are put under a lot more pressure. The midfield doesn't get the ball as much, so the forwards don't either. Which in turn leads to more pressure on the defence.

    Skrtel and Toure are useful and play roles that work when their partner is one of the other two. When together they simply hoof it out or clear it every time due to a lack of composure. Cissokho and Flanagan don't help. Skrtel has gotten better with the ball this season to be fair. Cissokho hasn't been awful the past few games and Flanagan is defensivelt sound plus he oddly gets into good positions on the attacking end.

    We need an inform GJ, DA, Sakho, and JE combination.
     
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