Off Topic How Are You Celebrating Brexit Day ?

So...................How should Dominic Cummings tell Boris to respond to the endorsement of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon?

 

Tommy Robinson is a vile individual, one of a number (not all of them white) who have perverted the Brexit saga to further their own racist agenda.
Personally I think Boris should distance himself from any approval this person has expressed toward him.

Hamas (who are official Holocaust deniers among other really charming things) endorse Jeremy Corbyn.
Something he is not in the least embarrassed about.

 

Well said.

 

Prince Andrew sinks to a new low (not easy for him).

The media attention to his relationship with the unbecoming Mr Epstein has become "almost a mental health issue" for the poor Duke of York, according to him.
Watching this coward wriggle on his hook like a slimy little worm is unedifying in the extreme.

Sorry your Maj, but all three of your sons have been a severe disappointment.
If anything, Eddie is the least embarrassing. At least he has disappeared into obscurity, and remained married for more than 20 minutes.

 

A "Not Proven" on last night's performance. Admittedly I only watched 15 minutes of it.

 

I can say for the record that Prince Andrew is 100% guilty of being a ridiculous old prat.

He's used his position to behave like an oaf all his life. At this point it doesn't really matter what specific crimes he may be guilty of, the man has absolutely zero credibility. He is a bigger embarrassment than Charles or his Dad, and that's saying something. His charities will be ashamed that they have anything to do with him.

It's worth bearing in mind that he met and began a relationship with a 25 year old soft porn actress in the early 1980's - and he might well have been 'unbecoming' with his sister-in-law at the same time, when she was even younger than that.

 

He came across as being very cold. I didn't feel I could tell anything about him at all, what sort of person he is.

 

Prince Andrew is a free loader and is all that is wrong with the Royal Family. Even if he isn't found guilty of having had sex with a minor. He has shown terrible judgement in staying friends and being in the same house as a convicted sex offender.

 

Some numpty on the TV this morning was so desperate to say something negative about Boris, he claimed the Tory battle bus had another big lie printed on the side.

"Back Boris and vote Conservative to GET BREXIT DONE"

This, the numpty claimes, was blatantly misleading, as a new Boris government getting a vote through Parliament would only be the 'start' of the Brexit process (not "getting it done" according to him)
What this actually meant, the numpty did not say.
Perhaps he thinks there will still be a lot of red tape to get through before the whole thing is finalised.
Knowing the EU, there will probably be a mountain of it.
But that's just procedure. The decision will have been ratified, and nothing can reverse it once that happens.

The laughable part was this numpty trying to use this obscure technicality - that no voter is going to give a fart about - to claim that Boris has put another giant lie on the side of his battle bus.
As attacks on Boris go, it was the feeblest nonsense I've heard so far during the campaign.

 

The numpty had a point though. Our new relationship with Europe (Brexit) will take a long time to negotiate. The fact that Corbyn is so poor shouldn't give Johnson a free pass.

 

If Boris got a majority of say 50 then he would have 5 years to get Brexit done, the transition period only lasts 2 years so after 2 years (if there were no agreement with the EU on a long term trade deal) there would have to be a hard BREXIT …. whatever way, if there is a Conservative Government by the end of December then …. Brexit will be done.

 

I have been told it's a better road to go down than 'no deal' and though I'm not wholly convinced, Boris's deal looks the most likely option now.

Even with no deal, there would have been months and years of establishing new relationships. There is no complete step-by-step mechanism for a single country to detach itself from the European Union, because of course those who run it never anticipated anybody becoming fed up enough to actually vote to leave.
That was their mistake.

Negotiating a new state of affairs with the EU will be less tortuous and expensive than trying to re-nationalise every major utility in the UK.
And the result of the former should not leave the UK economy completely ruined, which the latter will certainly do.

We face a choice of two futures;

An independent future, perhaps even including the break-up of the UK, but leaving England to govern itself and enjoy all the benefits of the wealth it creates, while Wales & Scotland are free to join the European Union (if the EU will accept them).
(By the way, it will not be "rejoining" as some politicians claim. An Independent Wales & Scotland have never been members of the EU, they have only been members as part of the UK)

Or a future within the EU and with a centralised, nationalised economy - the vast majority of those still in work will find themselves part of the public sector. No wealth creation, higher taxes and ever growing unemployment, along with ever growing population. Staggering along for a few years until nobody in the world will lend Britain any money anymore.
There is no third way. The SNP and/or the Lib Dems will put Corbyn into Downing Street if they can.
Credit to Nicola Sturgeon for actually admitting this is true. Jo Swinson should be ashamed of her lies.

And the status quo - the way things have been until now, is not an option.
Huge changes are upon us, one way or another.

 

I look forward to all the benefits you refer to.

 

This country will have to learn to look after itself again. Not be led by the nose from Brussels.

Our voters will decide what rights our workforce has, what our VAT and other tax levels should be, and what our laws should be.
Our politicians will be accountable again. No more EU directives to hide behind.

And for all the bleeding hearts out there who just want everybody to love them, it is possible to be friends with other countries, without letting them walk all over you.
We can strike great trade deals with other powers around the world.
And we can protect our resources and our borders and our waters.

Things will be tougher on some than others. But Corbyn's future will be tough on every hard working person who has been saving for a pension.
We're all going to suffer when the UK is bankrupt in three or four years, and it's credit rating is junk. When we have to beg for aid from the World Bank.

EDIT:

OK, enough from me on this subject tonight.
I'm bored to death by this International break, but more Brexit ranting won't help.
Sorry guys

 

Getting out of tribal politics is liberating. No longer do you feel obligated to defend the indefensible.

 

The Tory guy on the Andrew Neil show last night was dumb! …. why didn't he just agree that Boris had made an error and had mixed up the saving for the £1,000 increase with the saving for the £4,000 increase …. the argument would have been over in 10 seconds … no biggie just an error from an off the cuff remark?

 

All of the times Boris Johnson has broken his promises
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• Boris Johnson won the race to replace Theresa May as prime minister, after making promises to quickly deliver Brexit and cut taxes.
• Johnson used his record as former London mayor as evidence he will keep these promises.
• Analysis of Johnson's record, however, reveals a long list of broken pledges.
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LONDON — Boris Johnson has won the race to replace Theresa May as prime minister after promising Conservative Party members that he will take Britain out of the EU on October 31 "deal or no deal."

Addressing the House of Commons for the first time as prime minister, Johnson pointed to his record as mayor of London and said that "When I have said I would deliver X I have delivered X plus 20."

However, analysis of Johnson's time at City Hall, and his subsequent actions since returning to parliament, suggests there is reason to be sceptical about such pledges.

Heathrow

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Promise made: Boris Johnson ran twice for Mayor of London on a ticket of opposing expansion of Heathrow, famously saying that he would lie down "in front of those bulldozers and stop the building, stop the construction of that third runway."


Promise broken: Not only did Johnson not lie down in front of the bulldozers, but when the House of Commons vote on Heathrow expansion took place, Johnson engineered himself a foreign trip to ensure he wouldn't be able to take part in the vote. Following the trip, which cost taxpayers some £20,000, Johnson has now reportedly told Conservative MPs that he will not scrap expansion at Heathrow.

• Read More: Boris Johnson's long record of sexist, homophobic and racist comments

Tax cuts

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Promise made: Johnson has made cutting tax a central part of his campaign for the premiership. However, in 2012, Boris also promised voters in London a tax cut saying that he would put "£445 back in your pocket by freezing the Mayoral share of council tax."


Promise broken: It later emerged that the £445 claim was based on imagined savings compared to what his campaign assumed Boris's then rival, Ken Livingstone, would have raised council tax by, rather than a promise for an actual further cut of that amount.

Rough sleeping

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Promise made: When Boris Johnson became mayor he promised to totally eradicate rough sleeping on the streets of London by 2012, saying that "It's scandalous that in the 21st century London people have to resort to sleeping on the streets".


Promise broken: Rough sleeping rose by 130% in London over the course of his time in office.

Police Officers

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Boris Johnson's 2012 campaign pledge
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Promise made: In 2012, Boris sent a list of nine promises to every household in London, labeled his "nine-point plan for a Greater London." Number four on the list was "Making our streets and homes safer with 1,000 more police on the beat".


Promise broken: The number of police officers in London actually fell by about 1,000 over his two terms as mayor. Pushed on his failure to increase police numbers back in 2013, Boris claimed that any suggestion he had actually promised 1,000 additional police officers was a "wilful misconstruction".

Ticket Offices

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Boris Johnson's 2008 campaign pledge
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Promise made: In 2008, Boris campaigned heavily against Ken Livingstone's plans to close a number of ticket offices on the London Underground, even going so far as to sign a pledge never to close them (pictured).


His 2008 manifesto promised there would "always [be] a manned ticket office at every station."

Promise broken: Johnson went on to close all of the ticket offices remaining on the London Underground.

Tube strikes

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Promise made: In 2008 Boris promised to negotiate a "no strike deal" with the Tube unions to ensure that no strike action ever took place again on the London Underground.


Promise broken: Boris did not even attempt to broker such a deal and consistently refused to meet with Tube union leaders while he was mayor. The strikes continued.

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Likewise if Corbyn would just say he wouldn't campaign on either side in a referendum it would save him all the contortions when he's asked about it.

 

Is that all youve got on him ken

 

There are worse things than being untrustworthy.
Having no respect for democracy (Jo) and consorting with terrorists (Jeremy) are a couple of them.

If I'm not supposed to vote for a liar, should I really consider voting for either of that pair of traitors?