The CTWD committee is tonight delighted to publish, for consultation with CTWD members and with Hull City supporters across the globe, its draft Supporters’ Trust vision, aims and objectives. The vision along with the aims and objectives have been worked up by the committee over recent months and provide some guiding principles that the new Supporters’ Trust for Hull City, when it forms at the end of the year, will work towards in the short and longer term. Our longer term objectives are ambitious, and will stand for many years to guide our work with the club on behalf of supporters, under its present ownership and future owners. The shorter term objectives will guide the work of the Trust for the next 6 to 12 months and provide CTWD with a focus to become a voice for supporters of our great club Hull City as it continues to experience thrilling and unprecedented levels of success on the field. The name change also remains an issue we will keep a watching brief on - although right now we continue to consider the matter closed until such time as Dr Allam’s appeal to the FA is concluded. So, our vision, aims and objectives can be found by clicking HERE. Please feel free to let us have your views. If you are a CTWD member, please let us know your name when you reply. If you are not a CTWD member but want to be, click the the “Membership” link above and sign up before telling us what you think. If you are not a CTWD member and don’t want to be, we still welcome your views as long as they are constructive and polite. You can provide us your feedback in a variety of ways: > by replying to this thread; > by emailing us at [email protected]; > by tweeting or direct messaging us @notohulltigers; or > by putting a post on our Facebook site at facebook.com/notohulltigers. Please get involved - we look forward to hearing from you! Mark Gretton, Chairman, City Till We Die Group
Link doesn't work for me. Edit...working now. Copied in case others can't follow links. CITY TILL WE DIE: VISION, AIMS AND OBJECTIVES » VISION CTWD’s vision is to have a real and significant influence, on behalf of all Hull City AFC supporters (locally, nationally and globally), in the running of our club. » AIMS We aim to achieve this vision by: (a) Preserving, protecting and developing the identity and community of Hull City AFC, embodying ambition with tradition (b) Being the voice of supporters as an independent, democratic, community-based, grassroots organisation and being a key representative in any Hull City consultative arrangements (c) Being at the heart of partnership working with Hull City AFC, Hull City Council and other stakeholders (d) Acquiring a stake in Hull City AFC and attain representation on its board in order to exert real supporter influence on the governance of the club (e) Promoting the development of the club through supporter involvement, initiating and leading supporter-based social and community initiatives that engender that involvement (f) Actively campaigning at local and national levels on issues that impact on our membership and the wider supporter base (g) Adhering to our core values of integrity, behaving ethically and supporting local businesses, organisations and communities » OBJECTIVES In order to achieve this we have set ourselves some objectives that will guide our work in the short-and long-term. These are: Short-term objectives - to establish our independent offer (1) Becoming an independent supporters’ trust In June 2014 we received overwhelming support from our members for starting the process of becoming a fully fledged supporters’ trust for Hull City AFC fans. We will fulfil this objective through the merger of CTWD with the Tigers Co-operative, hopefully by the end of 2014 (2) Influencing the direction of Hull City Supporters’ Trusts across the UK (including those for Premier League clubs) have a role in influencing the decisions made by the club that most affect supporters. We don’t necessarily want a say in every inner working of the club – but where key decisions affect supporters, we think it is right that supporters are heard (3) Broadening our appeal We want to broaden our offer to encompass Tigers fans’ wider interests: events, travel, merchandise and wider campaigns. We are proud to have begun as a campaign group that successfully defended the historic name of Hull City. And that commitment to oppose a name change will not change. (4) Exploring the opportunities that being a Trust gives us Becoming a supporters’ trust opens up options for funding, ownership and employment that City fans don’t currently have. We won’t rush into anything, we will explore things carefully and determine in consultation with our members which of our long-term objectives below can really be achievable Long-term objectives - to reflect that Hull City is part of a community, not just a business (5) Giving supporters a voice on the Board We don’t imagine that the current owners are interested in giving CTWD an official seat on the Board, but in football things can change fast and we need to be ready. This isn’t about grabbing power for the sake of it, this is about ensuring that fans become positively involved with the club and exert influence at the highest level (6) Bringing benefits to community assets Hull City is more than a football club, it is part of the community. It is part of the city’s soul, and in the KC Stadium it is part of the city’s infrastructure. We want to explore how we can ensure supporters get a say in how these community assets are managed and developed in the future. The Supporters’ Trust gives us the ability to run companies, employ people, make a difference (7) Developing productive relationships with other supporter groups CTWD does not exist in isolation – it is but one of a number of vibrant Hull City supporter groups. And the issues and challenges we face are largely common to fans throughout the country. We will develop our burgeoning relationships with Supporters’ Direct and the Football Supporters’ Federation and lend our voice to help influence the wider football family
The shorter term objectives will guide the work of the Trust for the next 6 to 12 months and provide CTWD with a focus to become a voice for supporters of our great club Hull City as it continues to experience thrilling and unprecedented levels of success on the field Is that the success Allam has brought to the club with his vision.
(d) Acquiring a stake in Hull City AFC and attain representation on its board in order to exert real supporter influence on the governance of the club Suppose it's one way to own part of something without paying for it yourself,use other peoples money to get you there.unless i am wrong and your financing all this yourself which i doubt.
Q1. How does the group plan to determine what supporters and/or members see as key issues and show the group is in fact the 'voice of supporters'? Q2. Does the group plan to look at ways of improving the atmosphere in the ground? Q3. How often will elections for key committee posts be held, and will it be an attendee vote as previous?
No. Like every other football club owner, he isn't to thank for on pitch success. And god knows what you even mean by 'his vision'. Sounds like corporate bullshit to me.
How do you work out Allam is not responsible for the club being where it is now,do you think the success would just have been here anyway without him.
Yes, like last time. Football is cyclic and no doubt we'll be relegated and promoted again in the future. Pearson was the last owner who was here for a good few years and saw over several managers, some ****e, some excellent. Same owner yet our fortunes changed. Cos the owner doesn't pick the team. Our next manager might be ****, Allam can't do much to make him a good one. A chairman's job is off the pitch. Since Allam's been here he's doubled our debt, turned club against fans purely to service his own ego and point blank refuses to speak to the council about the stadium, something which he says himself would be the best thing for the club going forward. Oh and he tried to spoil our on pitch success by preventing a massive promotion party. What exactly has he got right off the pitch?
Mourinho? Pellegrini? How come Abramovic didn't win them the league when Scolari was there? How come Mansour can't make Man City defend better when Kompany is out? How come it took a few years for those clubs to start winning silverware under their current owners? Waste of money buying all them players too, if it's the owners you really need.
Do the CTWD committee feel that with hindsight, the posting of a picture of a flask describing the clubs owner as a cxxt by a leading member of the group was a mistake? or do the committee fully support and endorse this action?
Bet they regret not changing the club's name. For doing so would have brought them their success sooner. FACT.
(g) Adhering to our core values of integrity, behaving ethically and supporting local businesses, organisations and communities Where is the integrity in accepting a hip flask with a disgusting inscription. Ah see someones beaten me to it.
Thanks for the feedback. We are looking for views specifically on the vision, aims and objectives themselves rather than enter a wider debate about what CTWD will pursue going forwards. However your questions relate to both matters so: Q1. Through means of communication such as this. Tonight we have blogged the aims and objectives, posted them on message boards, tweeted them and placed them on Facebook. These were extremely successful channels of communication for us in the past and we intend to maintain them. But we are open to further suggestions. Q2. If that is what our members want, yes. I think that chimes with several of the aims and objectives. Q3. That is a matter for the constitution when it is adopted at the next General Meeting. The current proposal is an annual election of officers, but a longer time in service (with suitable powers to remove individuals who don't perform) might give greater continuity. The committee will make a recommendation but the members will ultimately decide. We will formally adopt decisions at General Meetings, we believe the workings of a Supporters' Trust set up as a Community Benefit Society require that. But we will seek to canvas the wider views of members through online polls and the like, as we have done before, on important matters of policy and strategy.
Wonder if you can start a group opposing a trust being part of the club due to the fact people don't want a group representing them because they are happy with how it is being run now.
Any chance we can keep this thread to questions, and responses from CTWD reps and not the usual f**wits adding their own responses/views in please? In fact, I suggest deleting PLTs comments which aren't in the slightest bit helpful. The questions were for CTWD, no you. This has the potential to be a useful thread if you don't start sticking your oar in. **EDIT: Oh and delete the other stupid comments from 1more** I'd like to add my voice to the questions about the hip flask that was proudly displayed on twitter. Some statement of some kind around it from Mark would be appreciated pls.
My comments where valid till he/she got stupid so they were not stupid ok,maybe last one should not be on here but rest where valid responses.
As Allam has absolutely no intention of talking to you why and how do you think you can see him. As a short term aim you put (2) Influencing the direction of Hull City Supporters’ Trusts across the UK (including those for Premier League clubs) have a role in influencing the decisions made by the club that most affect supporters. We don’t necessarily want a say in every inner working of the club – but where key decisions affect supporters, we think it is right that supporters are heard Necessarily?? Kinell get you. You will just become agitators. The published accounts have show what an excellent job the Allams continue to do. These accounts were confidently predicted to be a disaster when published for many many months by many ctwd committee and ex committee members.
Q1. There is no talk of membership fees or renewing only info on becoming a current member. Will a renewal drive occur at the end of the year when the supporters trust forms or will a renewal occur before hand? I ask as most of our memberships should be ending right about now if they were for a year.
