Ct...wtf

Something's been bugging me about CTWD for a little while now, as more regular readers will know. Something niggling me. Something just didn't seem *right*.

The dignified silence. The refusal to make it personal about Dr Allam or the Allams ownership of the club, despite the clear advantages and ease of doing this. Respectful almost.

It just seemed....off.

Yesterdays press release though, that took me be surprise. From dignified and respectful CTWD has jumped head first into all out assault on the Allams. All pretense is now gone. CTWD has declared war on the Allams.

On the face of it, and this is what puzzled me at first, it doesn't make sense. CTWD have been calling for a poll for months now. They're going to get one, and even if it goes against them, they can't lose, because the poll won't affect the name change decision by the FA. So why make a statement clearly designed to rile the owners and make them react against CTWD? Why do CTWD suddenly need to appear to be in the driving seat? What is their end game?

I've said before that I believe they're lining up someone like Adam Pearson to come in as a backer for a fans share of the club, but now, now I think its more than that and I have a theory.

I think CTWD are being used as a distraction by someone. Someone who means to buy the Allams out or at least take over the club. They are being used to discredit the Allams in the eyes of the fans and to make the Allams despair at what the hell they've gotten in to then force them into a situation whereby they actually appear to want to leave.

Considering this is being effected right after we finally have a brilliant manager, a decent team, some measure of success and a much better run club than previously, getting the club right now at a knockdown price would be quite a clever ploy.

Question is though, who? Who could possibly be local enough or know enough about the club and the area, and be prepared to do that?

Adam is the obvious one, but there's someone else who has been conspicuously absent, despite being Hull through and through, and playing for the club was always his dream. Yes, St Nick.

Bear with me here, it's an outrageous suggestion I know, but, it IS plausible.

Surely the dream for CTWD, or at least a few of its key members would be to see St Nick and Lord Adam riding across the Bridge, to save the club from the Evil Dictatorial Allam family. Explains the slightly puzzling lack of ANY statement from St Nick, or from Adam for that matter. I suspect Adam has "unfinished business" with us, and could probably bring some people together from outside the City to have enough money, and of course St Nick also possibly still has an axe to grind, and is also not too badly off in the moolah department. He'd make an awesome figurehead too.

CTWD (Or the Tiger Co-Op if you want to continue with that smokescreen) could be given enough shares so they don't come under Fit and Proper scrutiny, as a way of thanking them for their efforts over the last few months. It's almost perfect.

It would also be devious, manipulative and riddled with lies and deception of course, so that should be where my theory falls on its arse because obviously, CTWD aren't like that.

Anyone else want to suggest different puppet masters?

We've seen claims from CTWD that they don't have spare cash, that sending out the things people order cost more than the charges being made for them, so someone is filling in that shortfall. Yes some people just donate, I get that, but I wonder if CTWD is open and honest enough, with nothing to hide, to release details of donations to the campaign? Not the 2 quidders, not even the 10 or 20 quidders, say anyone who has donated over £100? Even though confidentiality shouldn't be an issue, that will be trotted out, so how about a list with the names removed so we can all see how much unknown individuals have donated? It's obviously not going to be thousands, CTWD doesn't have that sort of cash, we know that, but I'd be slightly suspicious of anyone bunging them more than 100 quid. This is of course assuming that stuff like the presentation, the video etc were all funded purely from official CTWD funds, and nothing has been funded outside of that.

Now, I realise and appreciate this thread will become a target for the foot soldiers and apologists of CTWD. There is really no need for the name calling, it's all been done, and just adds noise. It also doesn't bother me, and frankly just makes you look like an angry internet warrior. See if you can stick to just denying my theories, explaining why and telling me what your thoughts are if it happened as I theorise.

It would also be really helpful if you could state if you're a paid up member of CTWD, just a supporter or something more within CTWD, so we can understand your role and put some credence on your response.

I'm away in London now for the rest of the day, so I look forward to seeing if a) this thread still exists and b) any intelligent debate and comments.

 

Is it really worth the time and effort to compile that load of ****

 

I agree with the OP.

CTWD are also behind the disappearance of that plane in Malaysia! I am certain of it!

 

I've just returned from London so missed yesterday's posts on the ballot.

I'm on the CTWD committee but missed the committee's discussion over the press release on the ballot.

To be honest I don't see anything in OLM's post of the press release as a declaration of war. I think it is a reasonable request and a simple aspiration for the ballot to be independent and cover two topics. Do you want the name change, do you want the Allams, covers both points that have long been discussed on here. I accept that Assem Allam may reject it out of hand, but that really is up to him.

The sale of the club is up to Assem Allam. There is no way a committee of 20 people could force him to sell it at a knock down price to a Supporters Trust. There is no way, after the last few months he would sell it to a Supporters Trust arising from a merger of the Tigers Co-op and CTWD. If he is prepared to go to these lengths to get revenge on the City Council for not giving him the stadium why do you think he'd talk to us about the future ownership of the club?

We asked for people to pay £2 but pointed out they could donate more if the wanted. Most of our members did just that. Simple maths shows that if the average donation was £50 we'd have collected close to £100,000. I sure even you don't think we've raised anywhere near that. We have sold £10,000 worth of scarves. I'm not sure what that raised for the campaign but I would guess well over a £1,000.

You may ask why don't I know. The answer is simple, after working with them for the past few months I trust them. We have put hours of our own time into this campaign and to be honest I resent people suggesting we use the money for drink and paying our own electricity bills.

We have no puppet master pulling our strings.

Unless Assem Allam pulls a rabbit out of a hat and the campaign over the name continues I will not be standing for election at the general meeting. I feel that I have done what I can.

I support the creation of a merged Supporters Trust. One day I'd like to see Hull City 100% owned by the fans. At the beginning I thought that was possible under Assem Allam. I know now that it will be virtually impossible until he sells the club. I would like him to consider what's happened to him and the club over this season, contact the Council, build bridges with all the fans, including CTWD, look at alternative ways to make us a sustainable Premier League football club and regain the respect he had on that afternoon when Watford failed to beat Leeds United and we got automatic promotion.

Whether he does that is solely up to him.

We campaigned to get the FA to say no and despite some people saying it was impossible at the beginning we may just do that on the 9th of April 2014.

Now if you wanted a serious answer you'll read what I've said and give me a serious response. Any further questions you have I'll try and answer myself, if not I'll take them back to the committee.

 

I suspect Adam has "unfinished business" with Leeds United!

 

I can just see it now - the CTWD group has harvested enough cash to buy the club off Allam and what ? even IF that were true what then ?

Rename the club ? have decisions made by a voting system than anyone can be a member of ?

Sadly i think you have been watching too much James Bond while eating the wrong Shrooms .

 

I know Adam & can assure you that he has no wish to return to Hull City in any role, it is true that he has been part of attempts to buy Leeds United but even that seems unlikely & the figures involved are dwarfed by those being mentioned to buy Hull City

I hold Adam in high regard & credit him more with the survival of our club than I ever will the Allams, but would consider his return as a retrograde step

 

I'm not CTWD, have donated nothing, don't even have a pin badge, but am strongly anti name change

I think CTWD should use some of that money to get Happy Tiger sectioned & get him some serious help, his statement is almost on a par with the inane ramblings of Assem

 

I heard Ctwd faked the moon landing

 

i cant believe you sat there probably spending copious amounts of time thinking about this then publishing it! madness

 

Two questions for the nut jobs at CTWD, how much will you sell the CTWD group for and what will you sing when there's no hull tigers to support?

 

Clearly the songs will be

We Are Hull City
City Till I Die

etc

as there will still be a Hull City AFC (The Tigers) to support

 

Good lyrics but to what tune will we sing it to?

 

The only name change should be yours Happy, you should be called Unhinged Tiger.

 

Love reading the post by Happy, but have to say that I consider the pressure group he belongs to (AAA or Assem Allam Asskissers) are much more of a threat to the future of Hull City than CTWD, clearly not realising the policy being pursued by the club owners of divide & conquer is playing into their hands

 

Hull City AFC. Nickname - The Tigers. Changing this would devalue the past whilst jeopardising the future.

 

There is no intention to rile the owners. A 2 question ballot would allow fans to register their opinion on the name change and their opinion on the Allams as separately which is what CTWD has done since day one.

In it's current guise where the question is being asked "Do you want to change name" but the answers are being interpreted as "Do you want the Allams to go" the poll is worthless.

This post was sponsored by CTWD backer, the Sultan of Brunei.

 

I read that as sultana, I guess it would make him our currant owner.