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could the human body withstand the ultimate F1 car?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    If you designed a theoretical F1 car with all the technology that has been used and banned in F1, would it be possible? the car has:

    Fan, ground effects, active-ride suspension, Honda's V6 turbo, traction control, 'water-cooled brakes' (dunno if that's really technology or just a huge cheat but they got away with it), multiple diffusers, independant braking, adjustable wing, 6 wheels (and +) and any others I've missed.

    some of it would probably be obsolete, such as the diffusers if you have a fan, but the raw speed and extreme grip would make the G-force so great I don't know if the human body could take it for 200 miles.
     
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  2. tomcat606

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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    well human bodies can withstand space rockets and fighter jets but the secret is pressurised chambers. It will happen one day
     
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    One day yes, maybe after 2030...
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    the space shuttle launch g-force is half of a current F1 cars lateral gee during a high speed turn, and less than it braking. fighter pilots are the closest to F1 stresses, but they are only pulling these high Gee-forces for a few seconds at a time, and those times are scattered appart, an F1 driver currently pulls them far more frequently, and that's at legal specs.
     
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    Didn't BMW Williams design an ultimate f1 car that a computer said would do the 2004ish silverstone track in roughly 60secs?

    Computer times are usually only a little off these days
     
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    If they wear the G-Suit which is what keeps fighter pilots consious then yes it could!

    Incidentally have you seen what is apparently the "biggest g-force crash ever", ha ha that mans face must have felt like it was being torn apart
     
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  8. Masanari

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    Space shuttle may produce less g-force but it is sustained for much longer, in an F1 car it is usually for a few seconds at most while in the shuttle they experience from about 1.7 g to about 3g for 8 and a half mins.

    The human body is capable of withstanding quite high g-force for a few moments, I think some one was subjected to about 25 g for just over a second and was ok. It all depends on the duration, direction, and where it is applied to the body.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    yeah, but they didn't change the engione or the weight, so missing about 300 bhp and has at least an extra 50kg (water-cooled brakes), so even though it is already 13 seconds faster (20%) it still can be improved upon with extra power and less weight. prior to that Frank Dernie stated that they could make one go faster, but as the gee forces would be regularly over 6 gees it would probably not be humanly possible to drive, so i've answered my own question, lol.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/mar/04/thisweekssciencequestions3
     
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  10. Kyle?

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    Some people may be able to handle the imeense g forces, but could they handle the car?
     
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    Wonder what the F1 with everything allowed to be put on it would look like, which leads onto whether a human can withstand it, my answer is he/she wouldn't be able to.
     
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  12. Masanari

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    I think it would be interesting if there were no restrictions because then they would probably have to design the car around the driver's abilty and what they could withstand.
     
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    Webber + Kubica would thrive here.
     
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  14. cosicave

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    The human body could cope if the driver was sufficiently fit. However, it's a bit like asking whether someone who can bench-press 200kg could keep doing it for an hour without a break.

    Take a look at the ultimate Vettel machine (his name is even on the side of the car as part of Red Bull's marketing):
    http://www.gtplanet.net/red-bull-x1-sebastian-vettel-gameplay-video-screenshots/

    Watching the video right through, I felt myself become mentally (and almost physically) exhausted, since I have a reasonable understanding of the implications of such massive cornering speeds. And this was after just one lap 'in' the car and then watching the replay, whereas a Grand Prix can realistically last up to 90 minutes in the dry at some circuits…

    In the Vetmobile, this is a seriously daunting prospect!
     
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  15. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    indeed, it's the constant gee that is the problem, the 3 gee's of the space shuttle is just a few laps worth, gee suits probably wouldn't work that well, all they do is put pressure on the lower body (legs) and squeeze it much like someone squeezing a toothpaste tube, it's ok for short periods but i wouldn't want to spend an hour with it constantly operating.
     
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    I imagine the car would by limited more by what the tyres could take rather than the driver. Although like Cosi, it's more endurance than strength, they'd be able to qualify in it no problem, but to maintain that for a race distance...
     
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