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Uber_Hoop said:
Ah, but the vaccine, and particularly the booster, is supposed to be our path to restored freedoms, isn’t it?

Or is that the next jab or the one after that? Or is it the next lot of restrictions coming in the New Year? How easy it is to forget.

Sorry to hear your news, Raver.
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In fairness, I'd only been boostered 6 days earlier and given I likely caught this 3 days ago, my booster wouldn't have had time to build up to a high level of protection.

My wife was boostered over a month ago and no positive test yet.

I've also currently got zero symptoms, beyond a runny nose, which I'd put down to the vaccine.

Not all doom and gloom.

Thanks for your kind words all - it has ruined Christmas plans, but I will be with the immediate family which will be really nice still, and there are people in much worse positions this Christmas, so no complaints really.
 
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The omicron variant could give fully vaccinated people ‘super immunity’
Breakthrough infections might give people more immunity to COVID-19

By Herb Scribner@HerbScribner Dec 21, 2021, 2:45pm MSTShare this on Facebook (opens in new window)
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Fully vaccinated people infected with the omicron variant of the novel coronavirus could end up with super immunity to the coronavirus, according to new research from Oregon Health & Science University.

The research — published online in the Journal of the American Medical Association — found that breakthrough infections create “a robust immune response against the delta variant.”

  • Researchers said the findings indicate that “the immune response is likely to be highly effective against other variants as the SARS-CoV-2 virus continues to mutate.”
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The study said antibody levels from breakthrough cases were 1,000% more effective than those seen two weeks after the second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

  • “You can’t get a better immune response than this,” said senior author Fikadu Tafesse, an assistant professor of molecular microbiology and immunology in the OHSU School of Medicine, in a statement. “These vaccines are very effective against severe disease. Our study suggests that individuals who are vaccinated and then exposed to a breakthrough infection have super immunity.”
Dr. Marcel Curlin, associate professor of medicine (infectious diseases) in the OHSU School of Medicine, said this is likely the endgame for COVID-19.

  • “I think this speaks to an eventual endgame,” Curlin said. “It doesn’t mean we’re at the end of the pandemic, but it points to where we’re likely to land: Once you’re vaccinated and then exposed to the virus, you’re probably going to be reasonably well-protected from future variants. Our study implies that the long-term outcome is going to be a tapering-off of the severity of the worldwide epidemic.”
There have been reports about how super immunity could stop the next COVID-19 variant from really taking hold of the population, as I wrote for the Deseret News. Multiple research projects have suggested that there are people who have “an extraordinarily powerful immune response,” according to NPR

  • These people — who were infected with COVID-19 and got the vaccine — have enough antibodies “capable of fighting off the coronavirus variants circulating in the world but also likely effective against variants that may emerge in the future,” according to NPR.
The omicron variant is the latest coronavirus variant to spread rapidly through the world. In fact, it has only started to circulate around the United States, becoming the most dominant variant in the U.S. already, according to The Associated Press.
 
Just been sent this.

Masks cut the risk of COVID by 53%*.
Omicron can be asymptomatic.
Don't wait to be told- be WISE and wear yours now whenever you are in contact with other people.

*Talic S, Shah S, Wild H, Gasevic D, Maharaj A, Ademi Z et al. Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis BMJ 2021; 375 :e068302 doi:10.1136/bmj-2021-068302
 
So my ex just called to say she's also tested positive, triple jabbed but probably caught it from my son. Christmas cancelled

I've bagged a frozen turkey, some M&S mince pies and a bottle of port. Booked Saturday and Sunday off work and will break out the Porridge dvd

Jesus Christ almighty has it come to this?
 
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News coming tonight, that omricon is milder than delta and alpha...Great.

But 2-3 times more transmissible...now this is much much worse.

That is shown by 100,000 new cases yesterday ...and over 70,000 for near a week

So what it means is if 5% of people with symptoms were hospitalised before...now it is less than 1%...but due to the very very high transmissiblity...that is more people than ever.

The only good thing I can see is that it is going to leave a lot of people with natural immunity on top of the acquired/ vaccine induced immunity...
 
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qprbeth said:
News coming tonight, that omricon is milder than delta and alpha...Great.

But 2-3 times more transmissible...now this is much much worse.

That is shown by 100,000 new cases yesterday ...and over 70,000 for near a week

So what it means is if 5% of people with symptoms were hospitalised before...now it is less than 1%...but due to the very very high transmissiblity...that is more people than ever.

The only good thing I can see is that it is going to leave a lot of people with natural immunity on top of the acquired/ vaccine induced immunity...
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And it’s going to be over quickly.


But not as quickly as promised. The number of positive tests has doubled in two weeks. But we were told cases would double every two and a bit days. So either not as infectious as originally thought, or people are not getting tested/reporting test results, or we are at testing capacity - what % of tests are positive? Is 100k a big proportion of the number of tests taken? As far as I can tell it’s 100k out of about 1.4 million tests taken. Anything to learn from that?

Hospitalisations in London, which has the lowest levels of vaccination and which has by far the highest numbers of infections (2.5% of everyone in Lambeth, apparently), are 25% of those last January. Doubtless they will rise, but by how much?

Daily positive rates in South Africa plummeting.

The numbers lead in different directions, but this is about NHS capacity, likely to be overwhelmed by staff self isolating rather than huge numbers of new admissions at the moment.
 
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Study by Edinburgh University just released....

Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains
By James Gallagher
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The wave of Omicron appears to be milder according to preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa.

Early evidence suggests fewer people are needing hospital treatment than with other variants - with estimates ranging from a 30% to a 70% reduction.

But the concern remains that even if Omicron is milder, the sheer number of cases could overwhelm hospitals.

More than 100,000 cases have been reported in the UK in a single day for the first time.

A deeper understanding of the severity of Omicron will help countries decide how to respond to the virus.

The study in Scotland has been tracking coronavirus and the number of people ending up in hospital.

It said that if Omicron behaved the same as Delta, they would expect about 47 people to have been admitted to hospital already. At the moment there are only 15.

The researchers said they were seeing a roughly two-thirds reduction in the number needing hospital care, but there were very few cases and few at-risk elderly people in the study.

Dr Jim McMenamin, the national Covid-19 incident director at Public Health Scotland, described it as a "qualified good news story".

He said the data was "filling in a blank" about protection against hospitalisation, but cautioned it was "important we don't get ahead of ourselves".

The Omicron variant is spreading incredibly quickly and a high number of cases could wipe out any benefit of it being milder.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59758784
 
As we have not had very much virus here due to the borders being shut for almost two years which one should worry us the most when they do finally reopen
The Chinese delta or omicron version
Or whatever other ones doing the rounds
 
kiwiqpr said:
As we have not had very much virus here due to the borders being shut for almost two years which one should worry us the most when they do finally reopen
The Chinese delta or omicron version
Or whatever other ones doing the rounds
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Delta is allegedly more deadly (I think? I'm not a scientist, and have never professed to be), so I'd be far more worried of that spreading than Omicron
 
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kiwiqpr said:
As we have not had very much virus here due to the borders being shut for almost two years which one should worry us the most when they do finally reopen
The Chinese delta or omicron version
Or whatever other ones doing the rounds
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We’ll all be wetting our panties over the Outer *****lian Omega variant as we queue for our 17th booster by then, matey.
 
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