Off Topic Coronavirus

[colognehornet]

There is a political reason behind the Corona hoax of course and the reason why I brought BLM and other issues into is that there are many things behind the conspiracy. Yes, there is an obvious conspiracy. I had brought facts about the mass migration and some moron made it look like as if I was up for a race war. The complete opposite is the truth and all I meant to hint out to was that there are mighty people trying to start something which political scientists, adviser and academic Samuel P. Huntington published 1996 in his controversial essay on a supposed “Clash of Civilizations” that would take over the world after the end of the Cold War.

If you follow George Friedman (Hungarian-born U.S. geopolitical forecaster, and strategist on international) who worke for (STRATFOR = Strategic Forecasting, Inc) he mentioned the above openly (mass migration) which would eventually lead to civil wars especially at a time when welfare states will collaps - we see this happening right now with and through COVID-19.

So once and for all it is not about bringing in that topic because I would like a civil war but that this is the intention of the Elites. Through these tensions they will be able to establish a new system. Most of the people, tired of the tensions, will embrace that solution provided ignoring the fact that the Elite created the problem in the first place.

Your question a couple of days ago:

Do you believe that they are actually trying to develop a vaccine? You've raised quite a few issues here so let's just deal with this one.

Yes, there are 2 main companies that are working on an mRNA vaccine. This mRNA vaccine is able to change your RNA for the first time. Until now this has only been tested on animals. The conquences of this doing is criminal as about 5% of the people being vaccinated will suffer from bad deseases and about 0,1 % will die. Thes percentages are nothing I am making up here but are officially accepted for vaccines that do not have a testing period of at least 8 years. The German Minister of Health said that everyone in Germany (83 million inhabitants) will be vaccinated (which means they will have to use force). So more than 4 million people with heavy unforseen side effects & aroun 83000 people that will die.

I am not against vaccinations against Measles (viurs) and Diphtheria (Bacteria) as those change only little from year to year and the vaccines are stable. This is slightly different for the flu as the virus changes from year to year where we always get last year's (or the year before) vaccine. Did you know that there is no vaccine for CORONA (there are many, many different viruses) yet even though those Corona viruses have been known for a long time ? Well, the reason for that is that the Pharma Industry itself was not interested in a vaccine due to it´s harmlessness.

Time for lunch now !

George Friedman This being the same one who predicted that World War 3 would pitch the USA against a combination of Japan and Turkey (as if there were any country on this planet more demilitarized than Japan ! If that was an example of his prediction skills then I wouldn't give him too much credibility. You do realize that immigration has nothing to do with Covid 19 - in fact the disease was introduced to Germany by business visitors returning from China and from German holidaymakers returning from the skiing holidays in the South Tyrol and Austria. A combination of this and the insistance of the Rhineland to celebrate their carnival kicked off the whole thing in Germany - it had absolutely nothing to do with immigration. Still less does it have anything to do with Greta Thunberg, or BLM, or an impending conspiratorial takeover organized between a super rich elite and the Communist Party (apparently led by Angela Merkel ). By the way - the question about vaccination didn't come from me but from another poster !

 

[Butthuber]

George Friedman This being the same one who predicted that World War 3 would pitch the USA against a combination of Japan and Turkey (as if there were any country on this planet more demilitarized than Japan ! If that was an example of his prediction skills then I wouldn't give him too much credibility. You do realize that immigration has nothing to do with Covid 19 - in fact the disease was introduced to Germany by business visitors returning from China and from German holidaymakers returning from the skiing holidays in the South Tyrol and Austria. A combination of this and the insistance of the Rhineland to celebrate their carnival kicked off the whole thing in Germany - it had absolutely nothing to do with immigration. Still less does it have anything to do with Greta Thunberg, or BLM, or an impending conspiratorial takeover organized between a super rich elite and the Communist Party (apparently led by Angela Merkel ). By the way - the question about vaccination didn't come from me but from another poster !

COVID 19 is for the stupid, mass migration for creating the mess when welfare will collapse soon. Remember Fabian Society - that is how the world is run on long term planning. Interesting you are not questioning the way how the Corona numbers are put together. Obviously you do not seem to object an mRNA vaccination and statistics seem to be a mystery.

Besides, using Emoticons in a conversation is rather childish - a privilege of the Khmer Green´s.

 

[BobbyD]

George Friedman This being the same one who predicted that World War 3 would pitch the USA against a combination of Japan and Turkey (as if there were any country on this planet more demilitarized than Japan ! If that was an example of his prediction skills then I wouldn't give him too much credibility. You do realize that immigration has nothing to do with Covid 19 - in fact the disease was introduced to Germany by business visitors returning from China and from German holidaymakers returning from the skiing holidays in the South Tyrol and Austria. A combination of this and the insistance of the Rhineland to celebrate their carnival kicked off the whole thing in Germany - it had absolutely nothing to do with immigration. Still less does it have anything to do with Greta Thunberg, or BLM, or an impending conspiratorial takeover organized between a super rich elite and the Communist Party (apparently led by Angela Merkel ). By the way - the question about vaccination didn't come from me but from another poster !

I haven't been following you and butthuber but the japan thing caught my eye. They have actually been militarising quite a lot and i do believe they are soon going to be formally militarizing properly in the future to defend themselves in future should there be any chinese agression.

Edit just seen japan has a 47 billion dollar defence budget (9th biggest) according to wiki

 

[colognehornet]

COVID 19 is for the stupid, mass migration for creating the mess when welfare will collaps soon. Remember Fabian Society - that is how the world is run on long term planning. Interesting you are not questioning the way how the Corona numbers are put together. Obviously you do not seem to object an mRNA vaccination and statistics seem to be a mystery.

Besides, using Emoticons in a conversation is rather childish - a privilege of the Khmer Green´s.

It appears that different countries put their Corona figures together in different ways which is regrettable, so I don't actually take too much notice of them. I do not deny, however, that the virus exists and that it is more dangerous than a normal bout of flu would be - also that it is new and that there is no vaccine for it. I also do not doubt that many people are dying of this who would not be threatened by a normal flu outbreak (and yes I do know people who have had it). I know that there was sufficient reason for imposing a lockdown - and that the exercise of such steps is fully in accordance with how history has dealt with epidemics throughout history - and yes, it is normal to be able to isolate a whole area or town in the interest of public health - this was done through both the Hong Kong and Asian flu outbreaks in the 60s. It is, however, absolutely impossible for Bill Gates or for any other business elite to stage such a thing as an epidemic as a grand hoax in order to reset the World economy. I am not saying that there will be no reset - but this will be coincidental and not planned. Doubtless people will ask themselves what sort of globalization they want in future - do the Germans really want their medicines to be dependent on global supply chains which can be disrupted at any time ? The disease is a crisis for the credibility of some aspects of globalization (the polite word for capitalism taking over the World) and for the neo liberal agenda which has dominated our thinking for the last 30 years. By the way - immigration brings more into the system than it takes out - in fact it would be very difficult to maintain welfare systems without it - who will pay for the pensions of Germany's aging population in the future without it ?

 

[Butthuber]

It appears that different countries put their Corona figures together in different ways which is regrettable, so I don't actually take too much notice of them. I do not deny, however, that the virus exists and that it is more dangerous than a normal bout of flu would be - also that it is new and that there is no vaccine for it. I also do not doubt that many people are dying of this who would not be threatened by a normal flu outbreak (and yes I do know people who have had it). I know that there was sufficient reason for imposing a lockdown - and that the exercise of such steps is fully in accordance with how history has dealt with epidemics throughout history - and yes, it is normal to be able to isolate a whole area or town in the interest of public health - this was done through both the Hong Kong and Asian flu outbreaks in the 60s. It is, however, absolutely impossible for Bill Gates or for any other business elite to stage such a thing as an epidemic as a grand hoax in order to reset the World economy. I am not saying that there will be no reset - but this will be coincidental and not planned. Doubtless people will ask themselves what sort of globalization they want in future - do the Germans really want their medicines to be dependent on global supply chains which can be disrupted at any time ? The disease is a crisis for the credibility of some aspects of globalization (the polite word for capitalism taking over the World) and for the neo liberal agenda which has dominated our thinking for the last 30 years. By the way - immigration brings more into the system than it takes out - in fact it would be very difficult to maintain welfare systems without it - who will pay for the pensions of Germany's aging population in the future without it ?

It is never just regrettable manipulating the numbers in order to create a result that is necessary to justify a lockdown for 3 - 4 months. It is a crime what they are doing to children, social life and especially to the elderly - not to mention that they have ruined the World Economy where we will see total destruction very soon (this year). The Corona viruses have been known for many years and had been defined as harmless hence no vaccine (not a single) for any of the many has been developed.

Complete Coronavirus Genome Sequences

https://talk.ictvonline.org/p/coronavirus-genomes

Since the Sars-Cov2 is very harmless the Goverments needed to create big numbers and to impose on us having to wear silly masks. The FFP3 masks might help for the infected that they do not spread the "Virus" but since only very view people do have that sort of quality mask and the majority may wear anything else that looks like one. Common sense would tell me you that those masks will never stop anything but will affect your own health by having to wear it (almost) all day long. You cannot breathe properly, will cause an allergy and will condition you to accept the vaccine in order to get rid of it eventually (the mask), Most important though is that the new vaccine will change your genetic information through the mRNA (messenger RNA). Nobody knows the outcome of this and that is a criminal act.

Eventually they will push the majority into a vaccination who will embrace the new cure hoping that they might get back their old lives - which they won´t. Without vaccination you will probably not be able to travel anymore, getting a job etc. - that is total control of the masses with a "nice" story to cover up the real intention behind it.

Globalization is not needed anymore as the majority will be impoverished and reduced to a very limited supply - that is the result of the Green Deal, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030 and can now be achieved through a virus (CO2 did not work fast enough). There will be shattered dreams for the people that believe in that utopia.

Last but not least, the mass migration is another story where spoiled affluent citizens believe that it is no problem integrating so many people in a very short period, with many different religions and cultures into a western society that is totally different from "their" world. Even if we ignore the huge amount of money that had been spent for housing, health insurance, pocket money etc. what is most important that "they" do accept and respect their hosts. They need to learn the domistic language and they do need a job. I would always agree on qualified migration and of course Asylum seekers that ran from war.

Now comes the wicked thing into play, the mass migration is being misused for the transformation of Europe and will lead to heavy problems when welfare state will sink. We do see a stock crisis, followed by a bond crisis and finally pensions will go bust. Germany´s TARGET-2 Balance with the other EU countries has hit the Trillion (around 300 Billions alone with Italy) and nobody in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece is making any money any more.

The Elite is running the monetary system and certainly does know when the whole thing will tumble down. Theses few people need to have control and that is what we are wittnessing. Covid-19 for the stupid, "Great Reset" for the profiteers.

The Rockefeller Foundation had announced the scenario in 2010 and of course that is no coincidence.

https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/national-covid-19-testing-action-plan/

If I were you I would at least take my thought and facts into consideration. Just ignoring them will not help you - I am prepared for the situation since 2008.

 

[colognehornet]

It is never just regrettable manipulating the numbers in order to create a result that is necessary to justify a lockdown for 3 - 4 months. It is a crime what they are doing to children, social life and especially to the elderly - not to mention that they have ruined the World Economy where we will see total destruction very soon (this year). The Corona viruses have been known for many years and had been defined as harmless hence no vaccine (not a single) for any of the many has been developed.

Complete Coronavirus Genome Sequences

https://talk.ictvonline.org/p/coronavirus-genomes

Since the Sars-Cov2 is very harmless the Goverments needed to create big numbers and to impose on us having to wear silly masks. The FFP3 masks might help for the infected that they do not spread the "Virus" but since only very view people do have that sort of quality mask and the majority may wear anything else that looks like one. Common sense would tell me you that those masks will never stop anything but will affect your own health by having to wear it (almost) all day long. You cannot breathe properly, will cause an allergy and will condition you to accept the vaccine in order to get rid of it eventually (the mask), Most important though is that the new vaccine will change your genetic information through the mRNA (messenger RNA). Nobody knows the outcome of this and that is a criminal act.

Eventually they will push the majority into a vaccination who will embrace the new cure hoping that they might get back their old lives - which they won´t. Without vaccination you will probably not be able to travel anymore, getting a job etc. - that is total control of the masses with a "nice" story to cover up the real intention behind it.

Globalization is not needed anymore as the majority will be impoverished and reduced to a very limited supply - that is the result of the Green Deal, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030 and can now be achieved through a virus (CO2 did not work fast enough). There will be shattered dreams for the people that believe in that utopia.

Last but not least, the mass migration is another story where spoiled affluent citizens believe that it is no problem integrating so many people in a very short period, with many different religions and cultures into a western society that is totally different from "their" world. Even if we ignore the huge amount of money that had been spent for housing, health insurance, pocket money etc. what is most important that "they" do accept and respect their hosts. They need to learn the domistic language and they do need a job. I would always agree on qualified migration and of course Asylum seekers that ran from war.

Now comes the wicked thing into play, the mass migration is being misused for the transformation of Europe and will lead to heavy problems when welfare state will sink. We do see a stock crisis, followed by a bond crisis and finally pensions will go bust. Germany´s TARGET-2 Balance with the other EU countries has hit the Trillion (around 300 Billions alone with Italy) and nobody in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece is making any money any more.

The Elite is running the monetary system and certainly does know when the whole thing will tumble down. Theses few people need to have control and that is what we are wittnessing. Covid-19 for the stupid, "Great Reset" for the profiteers.

The Rockefeller Foundation had announced the scenario in 2010 and of course that is no coincidence.

https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/national-covid-19-testing-action-plan/

If I were you I would at least take my thought and facts into consideration. Just ignoring them will not help you - I am prepared for the situation since 2008.

I do not need to take your nonsense into consideration - you have mentioned elsewhere that this ''Great Reset'' for the profiteers is in league with Communism - how can you reconcile these two other than from your particular political perspective ? It is time for you to give us a picture of what you actually believe in other than doomsday scenarios - what would the ideal World of Mr. Butthuber look like ? Stan has asked you this, and I have asked you this but you have evaded the question on all occasions.

 

[Butthuber]

I do not need to take your nonsense into consideration - you have mentioned elsewhere that this ''Great Reset'' for the profiteers is in league with Communism - how can you reconcile these two other than from your particular political perspective ? It is time for you to give us a picture of what you actually believe in other than doomsday scenarios - what would the ideal World of Mr. Butthuber look like ? Stan has asked you this, and I have asked you this but you have evaded the question on all occasions.

You will have to stand back for some time as this is not your personal interrogation room. My only interest is to shadow some light into the dark for the one´s that are clever enough to see the implication.

 

[colognehornet]

You will have to stand back for some time as this is not your personal interrogation room. My only interest is to shadow some light into the dark for the one´s that are clever enough to see the implication.

And what good does it do to see light in the dark unless it is accompanied by actions - what actions would you suggest ? Other than that everyone throws off their masks, and all semblance of social distancing, so that the diease can spread even more rapidly. What do you want people to do as a result of your precious insights ?

 

[Butthuber]

And what good does it do to see light in the dark unless it is accompanied by actions - what actions would you suggest ? Other than that everyone throws off their masks, and all semblance of social distancing, so that the diease can spread even more rapidly. What do you want people to do as a result of your precious insights ?

Just watch and enjoy the wondeful George Carlin for 3 minutes trying to understand.

George Carlin - The big club

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There is no bloody desease - it is only in your mind.

 

[colognehornet]

Just watch and enjoy the wondeful George Carlin for 3 minutes trying to understand.

George Carlin - The big club

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There is no bloody desease - it is only in your mind.

If it's not a stupid question what does listening to a stand up comedian who died in 2008 tell us about Covid 19 ?

 

[colognehornet]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-conspiracy-bill-gates-infowars-2020-4?r=DE&IR=T

 

[kiwiqpr]

If I were you I would at least take my thought and facts into consideration. Just ignoring them will not help you - I am prepared for the situation since 2008.

what preparations have you made

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Butthuber, I think much the same as you, I think more and more people are beginning to, to some degree or another. Anyway, I’m busy putting up a chicken wire fence to keep the damn mossies out.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Just watch and enjoy the wondeful George Carlin for 3 minutes trying to understand.

George Carlin - The big club

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There is no bloody desease - it is only in your mind.

The people dying from an inability to breathe may disagree.

 

[Butthuber]

what preparations have you made

It takes quite some time to accept the fact that we are living in an illusion. Changed my former live completely and any return to the old thinking was impossible once I understood. That is the main part of it.

Secondly some resources are needed for the first period of that transition where you and I would not want to go out for "shopping". We can expect a 2nd wave (fabricated) this autumn where lockdowns will be very strict (what we have seen in Spain) this time. I have read that Australia is very strict indeed right now, don´t know about NZ.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...-using-covid-to-impose-a4000-fine-per-person/

Try to inform your best friends/mates about what is definetely comming. You will have to trust them or else they will go against you. It is very difficult creating networks that will be needed in the turmoil which will start after people have realized what has happened to them (many still won´t realize it - forget about them).

There is not much time left and beleive me it´s happening world wide.

 

[Butthuber]

If it's not a stupid question what does listening to a stand up comedian who died in 2008 tell us about Covid 19 ?

I do not mean to be rude but that is a stupid question.

 

[colognehornet]

I do not mean to be rude but that is a stupid question.

Once again you are avoiding questions which are embarassing for you - I refer you to an earlier post - What actions would you suggest other than that everyone throws off their masks, and all semblance of social distancing, so that the disease can spread more rapidly. And don't come out with this crap of ''Disease, what disease'' that is an insult to the families of those who have died - and the many more who would have died if they had followed your advice ! People should realise that half brained conspiracy theories like yours are potentially dangerous to all of us !

 

[kiwiqpr]

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[KooPeeArr]

I do not mean to be rude but that is a stupid question.

I know 5 people who have lost parents in the last few months. There is a huge increase in deaths above the norm (covid or otherwise). Yet you expect us to believe that covid 19 is a hoax.

You expect us to believe that Bill Gates is behind a mass immigration policy to displace white people and that the world's rich convinced Greta to bunk off school and slowly build a movement.

A conspiracy of the uber rich who just happily all agree exactly with a unified despotic goal with none disagreeing on any point or any one of them breaking ranks to alert anyone else.

You want to educate us on the impending doom despite the only thing you can offer is setting up a network of people that understand (unless there's more sinister next steps that you won't share).

When faced with a knowledgeable response from Beth who, everyone on here has known for years, was a highly qualified worker (a doctor if I recall correctly) in bio-research (I'm surprised you can't acknowledge this having been on the site for years yourself) you disbelieve her and then expect us to believe you in return.

I think think you are throwing your wacky conspiracies at the wrong audience and are both dangerous and offensive.

 

[Butthuber]

I know 5 people who have lost parents in the last few months. There is a huge increase in deaths above the norm (covid or otherwise). Yet you expect us to believe that covid 19 is a hoax.

You expect us to believe that Bill Gates is behind a mass immigration policy to displace white people and that the world's rich convinced Greta to bunk off school and slowly build a movement.

A conspiracy of the uber rich who just happily all agree exactly with a unified despotic goal with none disagreeing on any point or any one of them breaking ranks to alert anyone else.

You want to educate us on the impending doom despite the only thing you can offer is setting up a network of people that understand (unless there's more sinister next steps that you won't share).

When faced with a knowledgeable response from Beth who, everyone on here has known for years, was a highly qualified worker (a doctor if I recall correctly) in bio-research (I'm surprised you can't acknowledge this having been on the site for years yourself) you disbelieve her and then expect us to believe you in return.

I think think you are throwing your wacky conspiracies at the wrong audience and are both dangerous and offensive.

Just for a start - Bill & Melinda Gates are responsible for the Covid-19 hoax whereas George Soros and his various NGO´s are pushing mass migration. Both are in the same club though.

For the numbers game I can provide a good video (16 minutes) which should give quite a good impression how wrong those numbers are. You should then ask yourself why the numbers were being presented are not immediately corrected. Those numbers are the basis for drastic measures having been taken the last couple of months.

Prof Carl Heneghan: can we trust Covid-19 death numbers?

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Another thing the media is repeatedly telling us is that infection rates have gone up but forget to mention that this is due to the heavily increased testings hence numbers will have to up (logic). Those increased numbers do not mean a thing if those do not show symptoms of the "disease" - the ratio "infected" vs. "deaths" has even gone down a lot.

Furthermore let´s quickly talk about the actions that have been taken. Wearing a mask does not help at all, it is unhealthy and will not stop anything - so why wearing masks anyway ? Using masks in a retirement home will be thrown away after leaving the home. At least in Germany those masks end up in an ordinary bin. If we were really facing a dangerous virus shouldn´t those masks be considered and handled as "special waste" ?

Did Beth mention that there are more than 300 different PCR tests world wide with different testing procedures and different ranges how to identify the "virus" ? Even if the test was reasonably reliable it would only return us to the question how the counting procedure has been performed.

I am not promoting any theory here - the conspiracy is real. The Covid-19 hoax was meant to ruin the business execpt for the multinationals making "us" vulnerable and totally dependent on the Goverment. Wearing masks is to observe the obedience of the masses in preparation of the coming vaccination for everyone. The more frightened and obidient the majority the easier forcing a vaccine on everybody. This vaccine will be different from the one for flu etc. as it will modify your RNA. A new vaccine like that needs at least 8 - 10 years of testing and now those people are willing to ignore that standards ?

If all that sounds fine with you then keep believing your politicians and do what they want - no objections.