I repeat again - what does this have to do with the corona crisis ? And what motive do you have for introducing such material ?
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Hancock confirms to the Commons that total deaths are lower than normal for this time of year.
It is obviously beyond your capabilities to comprehend - please go to sleep and leave it to the grown ups.
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Lord Samuel Jack
@SamuelJJack
The Crown Prosecution Service has cancelled a fine that I recieved in May for breaking Covid guidelines on the grounds there is no law to support it.
By the way - for an economist apparently born in London your English has slipped badly here - either that or you were highly rattled by my last post - maybe a little bit too close to the mark.
You are evading the facts I have repeatedly provided. Don´t you grasp that COVID-19 is just one component how we are mislead by the Goverment, the Media, the Unions etc.
COVID-19 will bring down the Economy only for Joe Public resulting in a big crisis offering us a basic income (for a while) hence making us slaves. Common sense would easily tell you that this Virus is just a hoax. Besides, how many COVID-19 victims have you met or do you know ?
Have a look at the facts:
https://www.worldometers.info/
I am not trying to evade any issues - you were the one who were trying to hijack the thread by trying to link it to the idea of Europe being overrun by people of other cultures - all I am doing is trying to needle out the motives for such a shift. The same could apply to you linking it to attacks on environmentalists, Communism, Greens, the BLM movement, feminism - in fact anything which you don't like. You must have an agenda for doing this and I am asking you what it is (as if I don't know already). The same way that Stan asked you what you do actually believe in, other than conspiracy theories about how you think the world is standing before the apocalypse.
It has become clear to me that you are a very limited person but then again it was not about you. Facts that I have repeatedly provided are conspiracy in your eyes and I will now leave you in your misery. You will soon find out the facts.
Final Verdict: Failed.
The question still remains as to why the theme of race relations is being brought into a thread about the Coronavirus - you are obviously reluctant to go into the mindset behind this so I think the matter is settled. This entire coronavirus conspiracy theory of yours is a mask to cover attacks on everything which you don't like, which is being done for political reasons.
nearly as many fat as hungry people
let the hungry eat the homeless
two of the worlds problems fixed
let the japs eat all the whales
world water levels will drop with all that tonnage out of it
is there any of the worlds problems that cant be fixed
kiwi for leader of the new world order
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Julia Hartley-Brewer
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This is seriously insane. I mean, absolutely mad. If you test positive for coronavirus in England, recover completely but three months later you get hit by a bus and die, you will count as a coronavirus death. Seriously. That’s how our Covid19 deaths are calculated.
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CEBM
The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine develops, promotes and disseminates better evidence for healthcare.
Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England – a statistical anomaly
July 16, 2020
Yoon K Loke, Carl Heneghan
People living in England have become increasingly concerned in the face of Public Health England’s (PHE) figures demonstrating a relentless daily toll of more than a hundred COVID-associated deaths several days a week (see Figure 1).
This is in stark contrast to the more reassuring recovery in neighbouring regions (Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland), where there are days with no COVID-associated deaths whatsoever.
One reason for this due is a statistical flaw in the way that PHE compiles ‘out of hospital’ deaths data, rather than any genuine difference between the regions of the UK:
“Linking data on confirmed positive cases (identified through testing by NHS and PHE laboratories and commercial partners) to the NHS Demographic Batch Service: when a patient dies, the NHS central register of patients is notified (this is not limited to deaths in hospitals). The list of all lab-confirmed cases is checked against the NHS central register each day, to check if any of the patients have died.”
Here, it seems that PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.
By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.
This why the PHE figures vary substantially from day to day. For example, 16 new deaths were announced on 6th July, but the following day, 152 were reported – today’s figure is 66.
PHE data also confirm that more than 125 000 patients have been admitted to NHS hospitals for COVID, the majority being successfully treated and discharged. There are now less than 1900 patients in hospital. So, roughly 80 000 recovered patients in the community will continue being monitored by PHE for the daily death statistics. More and more people (who are mainly in the older age group) are being discharged to the community, but they clearly may die of other illnesses.
This is why ‘out of hospital setting’ deaths remain constantly high (Figure 1), even though the Office of National Statistics data shows there have been fewer deaths than the five year average in the last three weeks, and NHS England data shows a moving average of 19 deaths per day in hospital.
It’s time to fix this statistical flaw that leads to an over-exaggeration of COVID-associated deaths. One reasonable approach would be to define community COVID-related deaths as those that occurred within 21 days of a COVID positive test result.
In summary, PHE’s definition of the daily death figures means that everyone who has ever had COVID at any time must die with COVID too. So, the COVID death toll in Britain up to July 2020 will eventually exceed 290k, if the follow-up of every test-positive patient is of long enough duration.
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Figure 1. This graph confirms a gradual but steady decline in NHS England deaths in hospital. But there is a persistent pattern where ‘out of hospital’ data are contributing hundreds of additional deaths to the daily figures, and this shows no signs of letting up. Indeed, there were >100 non-hospital daily deaths recorded on 14 occasions over the last 30 days. The fluctuations across the working week and weekends are likely related to the intermittent frequency of database updates and subsequent inclusion of data not captured from previous weeks.
Authors:
Prof. Yoon K Loke is Professor of Medicine and Pharmacology, Norwich Medical School, University of East Anglia. UK
Carl Heneghan is Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine and Director of Studies for the Evidence-Based Health Care Programmes (Full bio and disclosure statement here)
Unfortunately there is a lack of transparency coming from the British government which is one of many factors which are fuelling conspiracy theories. If you look at comparative international figures you will see that Britain has N/A for both recoveries and for ''active cases''. We know that the UK has done a lot of testing - according to the figures twice as many as Germany but we do not know how often individuals are tested. Theoretically a person who has had Corona must have been tested at least 3 times - once at the beginning in order to establish that someone has the disease and they are only then registered as 'recovered' after two more negative tests with a 2 week interval in between them. That is the international standard, but I'm not sure if Britain is applying this. Some countries may be simply classifying patients as 'recovered' when they no longer have an symptoms. Is Britain testing at both ends of the disease ?
We’d only embarrass the rest of the world if we documented our success.
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Great work if you can get it.
The UK may already have enough herd immunity to prevent a second wave of the virus....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...study-says/ar-BB16PzPo?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
A triumph for Johnson's government. All the apparent ****-ups and mixed messages were designed to get us to the point. Cummings is a hero.
Ah, but the economy....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...study-says/ar-BB16PzPo?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
A triumph for Johnson's government. All the apparent ****-ups and mixed messages were designed to get us to the point. Cummings is a hero.
Ah, but the economy....
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The UK.....or just England? Apparently only 5% of the population up here have been exposed - that doesn't seem like a very big herd to me
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53433493
That’s the same modelling crew which predicted a death toll of 6,000. I was very attracted to the herd immunity idea at the outset, but I can’t find a single example of it working for a virus in history, except when a vaccine has been developed and widely used. I’d gladly be proven wrong on this.
There is a political reason behind the Corona hoax of course and the reason why I brought BLM and other issues into is that there are many things behind the conspiracy. Yes, there is an obvious conspiracy. I had brought facts about the mass migration and some moron made it look like as if I was up for a race war. The complete opposite is the truth and all I meant to hint out to was that there are mighty people trying to start something which political scientists, adviser and academic Samuel P. Huntington published 1996 in his controversial essay on a supposed “Clash of Civilizations” that would take over the world after the end of the Cold War.
If you follow George Friedman (Hungarian-born U.S. geopolitical forecaster, and strategist on international) who worke for (STRATFOR = Strategic Forecasting, Inc) he mentioned the above openly (mass migration) which would eventually lead to civil wars especially at a time when welfare states will collaps - we see this happening right now with and through COVID-19.
So once and for all it is not about bringing in that topic because I would like a civil war but that this is the intention of the Elites. Through these tensions they will be able to establish a new system. Most of the people, tired of the tensions, will embrace that solution provided ignoring the fact that the Elite created the problem in the first place.
Your question a couple of days ago:
Do you believe that they are actually trying to develop a vaccine? You've raised quite a few issues here so let's just deal with this one.
Yes, there are 2 main companies that are working on an mRNA vaccine. This mRNA vaccine is able to change your RNA for the first time. Until now this has only been tested on animals. The conquences of this doing is criminal as about 5% of the people being vaccinated will suffer from bad deseases and about 0,1 % will die. Thes percentages are nothing I am making up here but are officially accepted for vaccines that do not have a testing period of at least 8 years. The German Minister of Health said that everyone in Germany (83 million inhabitants) will be vaccinated (which means they will have to use force). So more than 4 million people with heavy unforseen side effects & aroun 83000 people that will die.
I am not against vaccinations against Measles (viurs) and Diphtheria (Bacteria) as those change only little from year to year and the vaccines are stable. This is slightly different for the flu as the virus changes from year to year where we always get last year's (or the year before) vaccine. Did you know that there is no vaccine for CORONA (there are many, many different viruses) yet even though those Corona viruses have been known for a long time ? Well, the reason for that is that the Pharma Industry itself was not interested in a vaccine due to it´s harmlessness.
Time for lunch now !