Off Topic Coronavirus
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The biggest problem the world now faces right now it would seem, is that most law-abiding people in most countries have lost all respect for the relevant governments solely for their total lack of addressing the protesters, who, more so than any other cause, have shown blatant disregard for the efforts of the majority who stayed home in order to restrict and reduce the spread of co-vid19.
Here in Oz, were are now reaching new case figures of co-vid19 similar to those back in April.
Keep in mind, before the protest, we basically had zero new cases and were readying ourselves with lower restrictions on the road to a normality.
After several months of lockdowns and hard work, it only took a group of totally self centred imbeciles to undo all the good work of the majority.
These people have now cost us all in many ways possible, the chance to minimise the damage to our livelihoods, our businesses and our future.
From a personal point of view and as a small business owner, having had no work for 9 weeks, my son and l had only just started to receive calls for building work.
Three incoming calls in a week, related to one job, lasting just over a week. For the past week and a half ............... now no incoming calls.
People may think l'm taking this personally and you would be correct, l'm dam angry that my livelihood and many others are affected by people who chose not to consider others. There is a right way to protest and a wrong way.
We are now seeing how the wrong way of protesting is affecting people in general and the ramifications will be horrendous.
Here in Oz, were are now reaching new case figures of co-vid19 similar to those back in April.
Keep in mind, before the protest, we basically had zero new cases and were readying ourselves with lower restrictions on the road to a normality.
After several months of lockdowns and hard work, it only took a group of totally self centred imbeciles to undo all the good work of the majority.
These people have now cost us all in many ways possible, the chance to minimise the damage to our livelihoods, our businesses and our future.
From a personal point of view and as a small business owner, having had no work for 9 weeks, my son and l had only just started to receive calls for building work.
Three incoming calls in a week, related to one job, lasting just over a week. For the past week and a half ............... now no incoming calls.
People may think l'm taking this personally and you would be correct, l'm dam angry that my livelihood and many others are affected by people who chose not to consider others. There is a right way to protest and a wrong way.
We are now seeing how the wrong way of protesting is affecting people in general and the ramifications will be horrendous.
Evidence that draconian social distancing measures help stop the spread of a virus?
Yes, any examples of other countries that behaved proportionally, isolated the vulnerable, protected their economies, but are now regretting it?
It’s not really an either/or. Countries that were decisive have tended to have less death than those that weren’t and are now closer to some semblance of normality. We did the complete opposite and left ourselves in economic turmoil both absolutely and relatively after a long half-lockdown.
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Is that regret? They think they’d do something in between their policy and that of the rest of the world, should the need arise again and they’d protect their care homes better, but they’re not on the brink of financial meltdown and they aren’t facing a treatment backlog that they’ll never be able to catch up with.
They wouldn't take the same path again given the information they have now. Sure seems like regret by any normal definition. As for the economic benefit, seems to be fairly marginal and certainly hard to justify the much much higher death rate per million compared to the other Nordic countries.
The approach was largely correct, but they should have better protocare homes where half of all covid deaths occurred.
They have had a lower death per million rate than Italy, Spain and the Uk.
We’ll see the difference in the respective economies in the months to come, when our unemployment becomes apparent and we’ll see the differences in the state of our social services and health care systems for decades to come, in my opinion.
I think the fairest comparison would be between Norway and Sweden, given the similarities between the countries - economically, geographically, culturally etc. 518.5 deaths per million in Sweden, 46.85 deaths per million in Norway.
UK at 655, Spain 606, Italy 574. So Sweden is in the same ballpark as the countries which you cite, which are all the very worst.
Of course the politicians / civil servants that took the decisions in Sweden are going to describe them as largely correct to defend their own record, so admitting they would do something "between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done" speaks volumes.
Anyway, you asked for a country which has expressed regret for not locking down enough. I've given you one. Argue semantics until the cows come home if you'd like.
UK at 655, Spain 606, Italy 574. So Sweden is in the same ballpark as the countries which you cite, which are all the very worst.
Of course the politicians / civil servants that took the decisions in Sweden are going to describe them as largely correct to defend their own record, so admitting they would do something "between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done" speaks volumes.
Anyway, you asked for a country which has expressed regret for not locking down enough. I've given you one. Argue semantics until the cows come home if you'd like.
Leicester Council's request for a new lockdown looks likely to come in the form of current restrictions being extended for 2 weeks.
So the answer in addressing a local spike is to keep things the same? Isn't the point that the current situation isn't working there?
Also, when does the additional two weeks start - from 4th July or from the point where the easing was announced and so got unofficially written into the social consciousness?
I have the impression that there's no willingness to back track and there is no appetite from up high to deal with this anymore.
So the answer in addressing a local spike is to keep things the same? Isn't the point that the current situation isn't working there?
Also, when does the additional two weeks start - from 4th July or from the point where the easing was announced and so got unofficially written into the social consciousness?
I have the impression that there's no willingness to back track and there is no appetite from up high to deal with this anymore.
It was nothing short of a world beating appetite (but now is not the time to compare appetites of other countries).
We’ll never know, of course, but I believe you’re right.
Turn that on its head, Raver, and one might say Sweden has reached a similar bracket of deaths-per-million without trashing their economy.