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I’ve had a couple of pops, but I have zero expectations that anything will change regarding them as a result of this. They gave us the virus, lied about it, sold us **** kit, and have a near global monopoly on the raw materials that go into many heavily used medicines - including those now, apparently, in short supply in ITUs. The world, not just us, will be dependent on China’s economy to drag us out of recession, the recession that the Chinese made. We’ll be too scared to hold them to account, or even politely ask that they close live animal markets. The pathetic, fawning, arse licking of the WHO towards them will be seen from many governments.

I don’t think the Chinese Government did this on purpose, their economy and population have also taken a beating. But they are certainly manoeuvring to be the big and only winner out of it, tightening their grip on the world economy and the infrastructure of lots of countries which will be beholden to them in perpetuity, economic satellite states. All helped because for the first time in my lifetime the US has a president with no interest in world leadership, leaving a lovely vacuum for Xi to fill.

Still if you treat totalitarian bullies as if they are normal, acceptable members of the world community simply because they are economically powerful you really deserve to reap what you sow.

Enough?

I think China's figures on the Worldometer are pure fantasy but no one will ever know how long or how many have had it or died from it. As for the media, whom I get the feeling are almost willing us to have the worst death rate, this graph perhaps throws things into a more sensible perspective based on deaths per million of population, as it's always likely the biggest populations will produce the highest total numbers, Whichever way you look at it Germany still come out pretty well at present...

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I think China's figures on the Worldometer are pure fantasy but no one will ever know how long or how many have had it or died from it. As for the media, whom I get the feeling are almost willing us to have the worst death rate, this graph perhaps throws things into a more sensible perspective based on deaths per million of population, as it's always likely the biggest populations will produce the highest total numbers, Whichever way you look at it Germany still come out pretty well at present...

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Are Germany still not using a different recording system though?
 
Good for Dulwich College and Caversham Golf Club, who (at the request of local authorities) are opening up their enormous green spaces for public use. I think the relative lack of available green space in cities makes the TV images of people in parks more striking, opening up all the space available will help social distancing. A golf course is typically 150 acres of park land. But keep off the ****ing green!
Spot on Sb. This is when you are at your best. :emoticon-0148-yes:
If you agree with it I will revisit to see what I’ve got wrong :emoticon-0103-cool:
 
Here in Oz, we have started to reopen golf courses to play again.

l personally applaud this decision which gets people out in the fresh air, yet maintaining distancing.

Let’s face it, where l shank the golf ball, is still virgin territory, uninhabited by mankind.
 
In all fairness Nines I have been vocal a few times about China but no one seems to care about that.... it’s all the Tories fault. China disgusts me with how certain members of their population act. I was also surprised at how a mass populated country can manage to keep the disease to one small area, lockdown or not. I don’t believe them.
The Chinese in my opinion seem to be hiding something, what, I dont know and we may never find out. It's not that nobody cares about it, its lack of knowledge about what truly goes on or has gone on there. There are some that are Tory bashing, that's irrelevant to myself, I'm really dissapointed in the government of the day which just happens to be conservative. It could be any party and if they had acted or not acted as the case seems to be, then I would blast them just as much. I just wish they had the decency to act more humble in their approach. There have been major issues throughout this pandemic, sometimes you just have to throw your hands up and say ' yes we got that wrong or sorry we were too slow to act on that'. People need to get over this party divide and rightly question what's going on despite their allegiances.
 
In all fairness Nines I have been vocal a few times about China but no one seems to care about that.... it’s all the Tories fault. China disgusts me with how certain members of their population act. I was also surprised at how a mass populated country can manage to keep the disease to one small area, lockdown or not. I don’t believe them.

Both can be at fault in different ways. Ireland has less than half the deaths allowing for population size as we do. I can’t blame China for that disparity.

There’s no doubt China started it and exacerbated the situation trying to cover it up. We’re simply playing a better hand than some of Europe had very badly.
 
Farce as banks give coronavirus crisis loans to just 5,000 businesses despite 300,000 applications - sparking fears 5.8m UK firms will be forced to shut


 
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She’s quite good isn’t she? I like the way, when the bloke said ‘this is tens of trillions of $’ she takes it straight to back to lives, jobs and mental health, which is unusual for an economist.

However, my built in anti Chinese regime bias makes me a less than reliable commentator on this stuff.
 
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A pal of mine has applied for his bathroom and kitchen company. Didn't succeed in getting one!!!

I think this is a real worry. I believe there must still be some criteria whereby they are only giving loans to sound businesses. Now although I appreciate there are a lot of companies that may have been on their way out anyway, there will be
plenty of previously sound businesses amongst those needing help.
 
I’m really beginning to wonder how accurate the figures are of deaths FROM Covid are.
Am I right in saying deaths at home or in care homes aren’t counted ?
And even if they are, how many of these are actually COVID related and how many are from other things.

As an example, I spoke to my friend who’s mum died recently in a care home and her death was put on the certificate as COVID......but NO TEST WAS DONE , however some residents in the home had been tested as positive so I’m led to believe.
Therefore how can this be proven ? From the symptoms explained to me, it could more likely of been Sepsis, which kills far more elders.

Just makes me curious and a bit sceptical of the figures being muted.
 
I’m really beginning to wonder how accurate the figures are of deaths FROM Covid are.
Am I right in saying deaths at home or in care homes aren’t counted ?
And even if they are, how many of these are actually COVID related and how many are from other things.

As an example, I spoke to my friend who’s mum died recently in a care home and her death was put on the certificate as COVID......but NO TEST WAS DONE , however some residents in the home had been tested as positive so I’m led to believe.
Therefore how can this be proven ? From the symptoms explained to me, it could more likely of been Sepsis, which kills far more elders.

Just makes me curious and a bit sceptical of the figures being muted.

Realistically if there’s a fudge it’s going to be understated rather than over. We won’t really know until the ONS publishes its numbers.

I don’t know why some countries include care home and other non-hospital deaths and others don’t.