Off Topic Corona virus

[ristac]

Genuine question. How the hell, in a country of 60m can there be a shortage of ppe equipment and clothing. Can nobody stitch together the basic looking surgical garments or manufacture the Perspex face masks. Surely some of the thousands of factories closed could diversify into making this stuff. It’s very basic

I don’t believe there is a shortage, I think it’s what one person deems a necessity compared to another and the health minister has been dropping a few hints whilst trying not to offend.

For example, I deliver pharmaceuticals and it’s deemed I must wear a surgical face mask. That is the guideline, I think it’s fine, some of my colleagues feel they should have eye protection when serving behind the counter, the guideline is that it’s not needed.

I’ve noticed the Paramedics stationed next door to where I work from wearing the same masks as me, probably fine under normal circumstances but are they enough if they receive a call to attend a suspected covid19 patient? I deliver to care homes, some wear masks others don’t, I’m no longer allowed past the front desk, they’re all in lock down, zero visits from anyone including family.

I’ve heard a couple of staff moaning that I have a mask and they don’t have access to any. To be honest I don’t see why they need one, the patients don’t leave the complex and nobody is allowed in. I heard on the news a care home complaining that they didn’t have any ppe.

I’ve friends and family who are nurses, I believe there is slight confusion/discrepancies as to who needs full face visors and who doesn’t, a few departments just maybe having staff wearing them when there probably is no need. Yes everyone wants to feel safe and I don’t blame anyone wanting as much protection as possible but the key phrase is “Guidelines” maybe sometimes a few members of staff feel the guidelines are not good enough.

 

[ristac]

Genuine question. How the hell, in a country of 60m can there be a shortage of ppe equipment and clothing. Can nobody stitch together the basic looking surgical garments or manufacture the Perspex face masks. Surely some of the thousands of factories closed could diversify into making this stuff. It’s very basic

We have our dog groomed (or did before this), the groomer updated her face book page just today. DEFRA have said dog groomers can work but they need to collect the dog from its home. The dog has to be sprayed with dog friendly disinfectant and the groomer must wear a surgical grade mask and FULL face visor as well as an apron, it must be changed between each dog. To me that is ludicrous, it just puts another group of people in the system trying to purchase ppe.

Just an example of a failure in the system as to who needs what

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

I don’t believe there is a shortage, I think it’s what one person deems a necessity compared to another and the health minister has been dropping a few hints whilst trying not to offend.

For example, I deliver pharmaceuticals and it’s deemed I must wear a surgical face mask. That is the guideline, I think it’s fine, some of my colleagues feel they should have eye protection when serving behind the counter, the guideline is that it’s not needed.

I’ve noticed the Paramedics stationed next door to where I work from wearing the same masks as me, probably fine under normal circumstances but are they enough if they receive a call to attend a suspected covid19 patient? I deliver to care homes, some wear masks others don’t, I’m no longer allowed past the front desk, they’re all in lock down, zero visits from anyone including family.

I’ve heard a couple of staff moaning that I have a mask and they don’t have access to any. To be honest I don’t see why they need one, the patients don’t leave the complex and nobody is allowed in. I heard on the news a care home complaining that they didn’t have any ppe.

I’ve friends and family who are nurses, I believe there is slight confusion/discrepancies as to who needs full face visors and who doesn’t, a few departments just maybe having staff wearing them when there probably is no need. Yes everyone wants to feel safe and I don’t blame anyone wanting as much protection as possible but the key phrase is “Guidelines” maybe sometimes a few members of staff feel the guidelines are not good enough.

Think there has been shortages, and distribution problems, seen a Doctor who died was only given a pair of gloves and caught the virus, but off someone not yet diagnosed with it, but all should have access. Seen Wales had 8 million pieces delivered the other day, so there should be enough but distribution seems to be slow.

 

[ristac]

Think there has been shortages, and distribution problems, seen a Doctor who died was only given a pair of gloves and caught the virus, but off someone not yet diagnosed with it, but all should have access. Seen Wales had 8 million pieces delivered the other day, so there should be enough but distribution seems to be slow.

I feel this is the confusion for some.. Guideline says no eye protection required for risk assessment, this is the updated version this week, I think prior there was no need. Personally I’d say there was always a need and who’d blame anyone for snapping up the face visors. I think it lead to shortage in vital areas but not because there were none in the country, like you say, just getting them to the right places

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[ristac]

Nicola Sturgeon has been urged to increase financial support to Scottish businesses who are getting less help than those south of the border during the coronavirus crisis.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...he-same-support-as-those-south-of-the-border/

Scotland lock down was at the same time as England
https://www.gov.scot/news/effective-lockdown-to-be-introduced/

 

[Eireleeds1]

Still no answer to my simple question. Have you no one capable of making the stuff in a population of 60m. Forget whether you think there’s a shortage or not. None of us work in the health system so can only read reports from those that do. Sewing machines all that are needed ffs

 

[ristac]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/cobra-meeting-uk-coronavirus-response-delay-a4385751.html Sturgeon attended and is part of the COBRA team meetings where all the decisions have been made

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...is-johnson-cobra-meeting-coronavirus-cases-uk Sturgeon can’t be trusted she leaked the cobra meeting details

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Still no answer to my simple question. Have you no one capable of making the stuff in a population of 60m. Forget whether you think there’s a shortage or not. None of us work in the health system so can only read reports from those that do. Sewing machines all that are needed ffs

Well I did but you didn't listen if 8 million pieces were delivered to Wales this week, we are obviously making some but distribution seems to have been a problem.ristac needs to work faster.wish I had time to be on here.

 

[Eireleeds1]

Well I did but you didn't listen if 8 million pieces were delivered to Wales this week, we are obviously making some but distribution seems to have been a problem.ristac needs to work faster.wish I had time to be on here.

I’ve a free Renault master available at moment doing Feck all. Someone organize ferry and I’ll be there

 

[Eric Le Merde]

I feel this is the confusion for some.. Guideline says no eye protection required for risk assessment, this is the updated version this week, I think prior there was no need. Personally I’d say there was always a need and who’d blame anyone for snapping up the face visors. I think it lead to shortage in vital areas but not because there were none in the country, like you say, just getting them to the right places

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It specifically says that eye protection IS required for risk assessment

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[ristac]

It specifically says that eye protection IS required for risk assessment

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I think that is the updated/upgrade one, previously there wasn’t a need hence the image is missing eye protection

 

[Eireleeds1]

It specifically says that eye protection IS required for risk assessment

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To be honest it would seem to have been common sense. If I was a healthcare worker I’d never have been happy with one oIf those paper things across my mouth as a defense against this thing

 

[Eireleeds1]

To be honest it would seem to have been common sense. If I was a healthcare worker I’d never have been happy with one oIf those paper things across my mouth as a defense against this thing

How are you’re figures going in Australia btw Eric

 

[brisbane-lion]

How are you’re figures going in Australia btw Eric

Very nicely, thank you, Eire, or so we're told. Some 3000 plus confirmed cases and, at last count, 51 deaths, but who really knows? We have a big advange over some other countries in that we are BIG and no so close to each other. Being a pom is a plus as no-one comes near me even though I do shower regularly, probably same as Eric .

 

[Eric Le Merde]

To be honest it would seem to have been common sense. If I was a healthcare worker I’d never have been happy with one oIf those paper things across my mouth as a defense against this thing

If I was having to deal with this everyday I would want something like

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[Eireleeds1]

Very nicely, thank you, Eire, or so we're told. Some 3000 plus confirmed cases and, at last count, 51 deaths, but who really knows? We have a big advange over some other countries in that we are BIG and no so close to each other. Being a pom is a plus as no-one comes near me even though I do shower regularly, probably same as Eric .

Great to hear. I’d say your strict immigration rules are a help too

 

[Eric Le Merde]

How are you’re figures going in Australia btw Eric

Brissy is about right

We have had about 6300 cases and about 3200 have either died, 56, or recovered 3265 so about 3000 active case and the average infection rate does seem to be falling, below 100 a day now

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[Eireleeds1]

Brissy is about right

We have had about 6300 cases and about 3200 have either died, 56, or recovered 3265 so about 3000 active case and the average infection rate does seem to be falling, below 100 a day now

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Just been talking to my nephew over there. His wife expecting first child but all well. Both still working. Pubs restaurants both closed but still a long way better than Eurooe

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Great to hear. I’d say your strict immigration rules are a help too

It's more the travel rules that have helped I think. Since 1st Feb we closed down travel by people from China or those who had been to Wuhan, then we stopped travel from Italy, then more generally to anybody not a resident or citizen then everybody that wanted to come here was put into 14 days quarantine and now between states there are similar 14 day quarantine restrictions.

Knowing what we know now we should have shut down travel from the states and closed the ports to cruise ships earlier.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Very nicely, thank you, Eire, or so we're told. Some 3000 plus confirmed cases and, at last count, 51 deaths, but who really knows? We have a big advange over some other countries in that we are BIG and no so close to each other. Being a pom is a plus as no-one comes near me even though I do shower regularly, probably same as Eric .

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