Off Topic Corona virus

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1) So what should Boris have done, not listen to scientific experts? You fail to give him credit for acting on the advice of experts and still listening to them when they advise ia change of course is required. The entire world failed to stop the spread but for Boris haters it’s easy to blame him

2) The lockdown in regards to timing, measures and how far we go is way too debatable and far too many “what ifs” to have a definitive right or wrong answer.

3) Boris failed to bail out workers for two weeks or Boris was quick to implement unprecedented measures within two weeks, it depends if you like or dislike him. I’m just pointing out it’s a meme that repeats itself to look worse for the Boris haters.

4) If someone is deciding on a future and they decide they want to be a nurse and they’ve seen the pay scale then it’s his or her choice. The average wage for an A&E nurse is £59k I think that’s more than decent https://www.maydayhealthcareplc.co.uk/nurse-pay-rates-by-sectors/a-and-e-nurse/s47001/
Rustic, save your t
But she's the leader of the Scottish Parliament,did Scotland lock down 3 weeks before England ? did scotish hospitals buy thousands of ventilators, close down schools ? months before England ? These things were her and the SNPs job, nothing to do with Boris.
Lot's with good hindsight,why didn't Corbyn tell everyone ( prepare now) in Jan ?.
 
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China are definitely lying through their teeth.

Data from the 3 biggest Chinese mobile telephone operators state that 21 million contracts have been cancelled in the last 2 months.
It was probably posted on here somewhere and I missed it but I only found out today that Spain are only recording Corona related deaths for those who die in hospital. Those passing away at home or care homes are not being tested even if Corona was the suspected cause
 
But she's the leader of the Scottish Parliament,did Scotland lock down 3 weeks before England ? did scotish hospitals buy thousands of ventilators, close down schools ? months before England ? These things were her and the SNPs job, nothing to do with Boris.
Lot's with good hindsight,why didn't Corbyn tell everyone ( prepare now) in Jan ?.
Chesh, save your breath pal, them breaths may come in handy in later life.:emoticon-0105-wink:
Plus don’t ya think all these BoJo haters who think Sturgeon is an amazing politician who back another Scottish referendum over Brexit and Independence should fck off back north of the wall, oh and stay there.
 
Chesh, save your breath pal, them breaths may come in handy in later life.:emoticon-0105-wink:
Plus don’t ya think all these BoJo haters who think Sturgeon is an amazing politician who back another Scottish referendum over Brexit and Independence should fck off back north of the wall, oh and stay there.
<yikes> :emoticon-0127-lipss
 
It was probably posted on here somewhere and I missed it but I only found out today that Spain are only recording Corona related deaths for those who die in hospital. Those passing away at home or care homes are not being tested even if Corona was the suspected cause


Same in the USA
A very hard read, but a must read!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52196815


One paramedics shift, 12 dead, and none of them included in the daily figure!!!!!
 
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Worst case scenario would be herd immunity (for this strand at least, that's an altogether different topic). Herd immunity, given the contagious nature of this virus, looks to be anywhere between 50% and 80% of the population. That would be 35-55 million of the population are required to catch it.

Reports from Italy (backed up by the Germans, South Koreans and the Chinese) are suggesting that a substantial % of cases have NO symptoms at all. An Italian study has suggested that between 10-20 million people have had this and recovered without getting tested or in fact showing any symptoms. They even went as far as saying it could even be double that figure. Italy population stands at 60 million.

To me that's an entirely feasible claim from what I have seen around me!

Figures here are at 4%.
Scientists are saying the lockdown should continue as is until it's nearer 60/70% or a vaccine is developed.
 
I wonder how many Chinese have travelled to Europe this year.

One statistic. This year on average there have been 108 flights from China to Italy alone...
 
But she's the leader of the Scottish Parliament,did Scotland lock down 3 weeks before England ? did scotish hospitals buy thousands of ventilators, close down schools ? months before England ? These things were her and the SNPs job, nothing to do with Boris.
Lot's with good hindsight,why didn't Corbyn tell everyone ( prepare now) in Jan ?.
I don't actually know what happened in Scotland. Had enough to contend with here. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the faults you have so clearly identified. What did she do wrong? Links would be appreciated, as very little of the detail makes it south. But be very clear though, that unlike Dimwitted Doris down here, right from the very outset she said that mistakes would be made, by most people, including her. Dimwitted Doris & his tory sheeple would never admit to making a mistake. Power is more important than truth.

So let's have some links. Looking forward to tracing the timeline & decisions you suggest took place.
 
It was probably posted on here somewhere and I missed it but I only found out today that Spain are only recording Corona related deaths for those who die in hospital. Those passing away at home or care homes are not being tested even if Corona was the suspected cause
It's the same in this country, I understand. Heard it on the BBC news, whilst watching with the family. We all looked at each other in surprise, rewound it & confirmed. Guess there are good reasons for it. I suggest one good one is that they don't get tested in care homes atm, either before or after they catch it, & the post mortem tests are dropped in favour of saving lives rather than recording deaths, which you can't fault really.
 
I wonder how many Chinese have travelled to Europe this year.

One statistic. This year on average there have been 108 flights from China to Italy alone...
There are still planes flying country to country.

Question: have we ever put any visitor to the UK into a 14 day quarantine? I don't know the answer, but fear I can guess it.
 
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I don't actually know what happened in Scotland. Had enough to contend with here. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the faults you have so clearly identified. What did she do wrong? Links would be appreciated, as very little of the detail makes it south. But be very clear though, that unlike Dimwitted Doris down here, right from the very outset she said that mistakes would be made, by most people, including her. Dimwitted Doris & his tory sheeple would never admit to making a mistake. Power is more important than truth.

So let's have some links. Looking forward to tracing the timeline & decisions you suggest took place.
She did exactly the same as Boris, same day lock down, same day schools closed, same day everything, it's not rocket science, your list of Boris faults, are also hers.
 
Chesh, save your breath pal, them breaths may come in handy in later life.:emoticon-0105-wink:
Plus don’t ya think all these BoJo haters who think Sturgeon is an amazing politician who back another Scottish referendum over Brexit and Independence should fck off back north of the wall, oh and stay there.
Bit rich from an ex-pat. <doh>

Guess it's part of the hypocrisy you expect from Bloated Boris sheeple. <whistle>
 
She did exactly the same as Boris, same day lock down, same day schools closed, same day everything, it's not rocket science, your list of Boris faults, are also hers.
So says you. Again, as usual, an opinion presented as fact. Not one single piece of evidence to support your assertion. You could be right. I honestly don't know the details, but clearly neither do you, or you would be trying to embarrass me with links to the backup data. Instead, you're just trying ....
 
So says you. Again, as usual, an opinion presented as fact. Not one single piece of evidence to support your assertion. You could be right. I honestly don't know the details, but clearly neither do you, or you would be trying to embarrass me with links to the backup data. Instead, you're just trying ....
Do you live on the planet MARS, you put up a big list of things you say Boris got wrong, and yet have no idea about anything that happens in Scotland, maybe you need to go away for a month or 2 and look up some facts instead of posting about stuff you know nothing about. Do you not own a TV, radio or never seen a newspaper, on my TV, I see Jimmy Crankie every day, as I'm sure does everyone else, go buy a TV, and turn it on.
 
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Up to date cases


  • Sheffield: 1,020
  • Cumbria: 936
  • Brent: 880
  • Croydon: 813
  • Southwark: 794
  • Barnet: 788
  • Lambeth: 766
  • Staffordshire: 701
  • Newham: 642
  • Liverpool: 634
  • Wandsworth: 625
  • Bromley: 620
  • Lewisham: 617
  • Ealing: 589
  • Oxfordshire: 583
  • Derbyshire: 575
  • Harrow: 549
  • Northamptonshire: 547
  • Nottinghamshire: 536
  • Worcestershire: 471
    • Newcastle upon Tyne: 464
    • Waltham Forest: 463
    • Warwickshire: 458
    • Manchester: 454
    • County Durham: 450
    • Hackney and City of London: 444
    • Norfolk: 438
    • Leeds: 437
    • Walsall: 436
    • Sandwell: 435
    • Leicestershire: 433
    • Gloucestershire: 429
    • Tower Hamlets: 428
    • Westminster: 428
    • Merton: 417
    • Enfield: 414
    • Greenwich: 410
    • Hillingdon: 410
    • Redbridge: 400
    • Hounslow: 396
      • Wolverhampton: 368
      • Buckinghamshire: 364
      • Lincolnshire: 363
      • Dudley: 358
      • Camden: 356
      • Wirral: 353
      • North Yorkshire: 352
      • Sefton: 351
      • Sunderland: 349
      • Bexley: 343
      • Havering: 342
      • Stockport: 338
      • Haringey: 333
      • West Sussex: 330
      • Sutton: 324
      • Suffolk: 314
      • Hammersmith and Fulham: 313
      • St. Helens: 306
      • Derby: 303
      • Kensington and Chelsea: 301
      • Coventry: 299
      • Northumberland: 298
      • Devon: 294
      • Cambridgeshire: 290
      • Cheshire West and Chester: 289
      • Leicester: 287
      • Salford: 285
      • Islington: 279
      • East Sussex: 279
        • Bradford: 278
        • Trafford: 272
        • Barking and Dagenham: 269
        • Solihull: 268
        • Oldham: 267
        • Rotherham: 262
        • North Tyneside: 262
        • Nottingham: 261
        • Cheshire East: 257
        • Kirklees: 255
        • Barnsley: 248
        • Cornwall and Isles of Scilly: 246
        • Bristol, City of: 245
        • Gateshead: 240
        • Medway: 236
        • Richmond upon Thames: 235
        • Wakefield: 229
        • Kingston upon Thames: 229
        • Knowsley: 227
        • Bolton: 223
        • Wigan: 223
        • Milton Keynes: 221
        • Luton: 218
        • Tameside: 217
        • Middlesbrough: 213
        • Warrington: 211
        • Rochdale: 209
        • Wiltshire: 195
        • Slough: 194
        • Southampton: 192
        • Central Bedfordshire: 190
        • Shropshire: 184
        • Bury: 177
        • Doncaster: 170
        • South Gloucestershire: 165
        • Brighton and Hove: 165
        • Southend-on-Sea: 160
        • Stockton-on-Tees: 152
        • Somerset: 152
        • East Riding of Yorkshire: 150
        • Halton: 148
        • Thurrock: 145
        • Wokingham: 142
        • Dorset: 142
        • Reading: 141
        • Bedford: 139
        • Stoke-on-Trent: 136
        • Portsmouth: 136
        • West Berkshire: 131
        • Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole: 131
        • Redcar and Cleveland: 128
        • Windsor and Maidenhead: 126
        • South Tyneside: 120
        • Calderdale: 119
        • Plymouth: 112
        • Swindon: 111
        • Telford and Wrekin: 102
        • York: 101
        • Blackpool: 98
        • North Somerset: 96
        • Darlington: 95
        • Blackburn with Darwen: 95
        • Bracknell Forest: 90
        • Peterborough: 85
        • Herefordshire, County of: 84
        • Bath and North East Somerset: 84
        • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 74
        • North Lincolnshire: 71
        • Torbay: 66
        • North East Lincolnshire: 58
        • Hartlepool: 55
        • Isle of Wight: 41
        • Rutland: 8
 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/


April 10 (GMT)

  • 3936 new cases and 129 new deaths in Germany


    A study by the University of Bonn has tested a randomized sample of 1,000 residents of the town of Gangelt (an epicenter of the outbreak in Germany) and found that 2% of the population was currently infected and 14% were carrying antibodies suggesting that they had already been infected — whether or not they experienced any symptoms. Eliminating an overlap between the two groups, the team concluded that 15% of the town have been infected with the virus [source]

    If these findings are correct, Germany’s actual death rate could be as low as 0.22% (2,607 deaths / (2,607 cases that have resulted in death + 1,172,000 cases that have resulted in recovery)). Assuming 14% of the German population of 83,700,000 (1,172,000 people) have been infected and have recovered. [source] [source]
 
Up to date cases


  • Sheffield: 1,020
  • Cumbria: 936
  • Brent: 880
  • Croydon: 813
  • Southwark: 794
  • Barnet: 788
  • Lambeth: 766
  • Staffordshire: 701
  • Newham: 642
  • Liverpool: 634
  • Wandsworth: 625
  • Bromley: 620
  • Lewisham: 617
  • Ealing: 589
  • Oxfordshire: 583
  • Derbyshire: 575
  • Harrow: 549
  • Northamptonshire: 547
  • Nottinghamshire: 536
  • Worcestershire: 471
    • Newcastle upon Tyne: 464
    • Waltham Forest: 463
    • Warwickshire: 458
    • Manchester: 454
    • County Durham: 450
    • Hackney and City of London: 444
    • Norfolk: 438
    • Leeds: 437
    • Walsall: 436
    • Sandwell: 435
    • Leicestershire: 433
    • Gloucestershire: 429
    • Tower Hamlets: 428
    • Westminster: 428
    • Merton: 417
    • Enfield: 414
    • Greenwich: 410
    • Hillingdon: 410
    • Redbridge: 400
    • Hounslow: 396
      • Wolverhampton: 368
      • Buckinghamshire: 364
      • Lincolnshire: 363
      • Dudley: 358
      • Camden: 356
      • Wirral: 353
      • North Yorkshire: 352
      • Sefton: 351
      • Sunderland: 349
      • Bexley: 343
      • Havering: 342
      • Stockport: 338
      • Haringey: 333
      • West Sussex: 330
      • Sutton: 324
      • Suffolk: 314
      • Hammersmith and Fulham: 313
      • St. Helens: 306
      • Derby: 303
      • Kensington and Chelsea: 301
      • Coventry: 299
      • Northumberland: 298
      • Devon: 294
      • Cambridgeshire: 290
      • Cheshire West and Chester: 289
      • Leicester: 287
      • Salford: 285
      • Islington: 279
      • East Sussex: 279
        • Bradford: 278
        • Trafford: 272
        • Barking and Dagenham: 269
        • Solihull: 268
        • Oldham: 267
        • Rotherham: 262
        • North Tyneside: 262
        • Nottingham: 261
        • Cheshire East: 257
        • Kirklees: 255
        • Barnsley: 248
        • Cornwall and Isles of Scilly: 246
        • Bristol, City of: 245
        • Gateshead: 240
        • Medway: 236
        • Richmond upon Thames: 235
        • Wakefield: 229
        • Kingston upon Thames: 229
        • Knowsley: 227
        • Bolton: 223
        • Wigan: 223
        • Milton Keynes: 221
        • Luton: 218
        • Tameside: 217
        • Middlesbrough: 213
        • Warrington: 211
        • Rochdale: 209
        • Wiltshire: 195
        • Slough: 194
        • Southampton: 192
        • Central Bedfordshire: 190
        • Shropshire: 184
        • Bury: 177
        • Doncaster: 170
        • South Gloucestershire: 165
        • Brighton and Hove: 165
        • Southend-on-Sea: 160
        • Stockton-on-Tees: 152
        • Somerset: 152
        • East Riding of Yorkshire: 150
        • Halton: 148
        • Thurrock: 145
        • Wokingham: 142
        • Dorset: 142
        • Reading: 141
        • Bedford: 139
        • Stoke-on-Trent: 136
        • Portsmouth: 136
        • West Berkshire: 131
        • Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole: 131
        • Redcar and Cleveland: 128
        • Windsor and Maidenhead: 126
        • South Tyneside: 120
        • Calderdale: 119
        • Plymouth: 112
        • Swindon: 111
        • Telford and Wrekin: 102
        • York: 101
        • Blackpool: 98
        • North Somerset: 96
        • Darlington: 95
        • Blackburn with Darwen: 95
        • Bracknell Forest: 90
        • Peterborough: 85
        • Herefordshire, County of: 84
        • Bath and North East Somerset: 84
        • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 74
        • North Lincolnshire: 71
        • Torbay: 66
        • North East Lincolnshire: 58
        • Hartlepool: 55
        • Isle of Wight: 41
        • Rutland: 8


I'm in North Yorkshire and that number, although official, is massively under the real one.

The UK numbers are really ****e. They have only been testing hospital admissions and it wasn't until middle of last week that NHS staff were getting tests. Now that testing has finally been ramped up the new case numbers will soar. Unfortunately it's the death rate we need to look at. It should start to drop hopefully in the next 14 days.
 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/


April 10 (GMT)

  • 3936 new cases and 129 new deaths in Germany


    A study by the University of Bonn has tested a randomized sample of 1,000 residents of the town of Gangelt (an epicenter of the outbreak in Germany) and found that 2% of the population was currently infected and 14% were carrying antibodies suggesting that they had already been infected — whether or not they experienced any symptoms. Eliminating an overlap between the two groups, the team concluded that 15% of the town have been infected with the virus [source]

    If these findings are correct, Germany’s actual death rate could be as low as 0.22% (2,607 deaths / (2,607 cases that have resulted in death + 1,172,000 cases that have resulted in recovery)). Assuming 14% of the German population of 83,700,000 (1,172,000 people) have been infected and have recovered. [source] [source]
Was interesting until, the link between an epicenter having possibly 15% having had the virus was then linked to the whole of Germany having maybe 14% which was totally unsubstantiated
 
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