So Cody Cropper is good enough for the Premiership but not good enough for us, Jewell is so blinkered at times, make that most of the time.! Good luck Cody.!
I would argue that you could be the blinkered one. Jewells coaching staff has seen him in training every day for the last 18 months and have decided he will never get into the town first team. I take it you, like most have seen him at most for 90 minutes once a month - now who should be the better judge? I would also imagine that he has gone there as 3rd or 4th choice keeper (a luxury we cant afford) and has little or no chance of appearing in their first team in the near future. Richard Wright has just signed for the champions and one of the worlds richest clubs but nobody wanted him here (a similar logic to what you are using)
TB your typical response through your Jewell tinted specs, it is just my opinion that Jewell is not the best judge of potential, I know out of the two managers/management team I would prefer to be in charge at ITFC...
What a load of old bollocks as usual tractorbhoy. As I remember most of us wanted Wrighty to carry on with us and work towards coaching as a reserve option and many of us were shocked when Cropper was released. The notion that the ITFC staff have any clue what they're doing particularly when it comes to who to let move on is a new one on me I must admit. Even Billy Clarke played a big part in Crawley's win the other night. The players we've let go over the last three or four years just screams phenomenal failure of judgement from every angle. Gareth McAuley is now first choice for the miserly West Brom defence for crying out loud and Jon Walters a regular for Stoke while Jordan Rhodes joins Blackburn for eight times the price we got for him
whats two managers/ management teams are you comparing? - Im lost My post has got nothing to do with any preference for Jewell. As I have said numerous times he has made mistakes and I would totally understand if he was sacked just its not a decision I would make yet. As I have said and that you conveniently didnt bother answering - what do you actually know of Cropper. Are you regularly at the training ground? do you go to the reserve matches - If so fair play and you are welcome to your opinion but Im guessing your just having a go because Jewell made the decision and everything he does is automatically wrong in your mind. Do you see him making our/ southamptons first team in the near future? or is he just a nice squad player - a luxury you can afford at premier ship level (ala R Wright) but one that we could easily spend our money on elsewhere?
Really?? Lack of Judgement. They have Davis and bought that young chap from Gillingham, so he's not likely to be anywhere near the first team!! I actually think Jewell is a pretty good talent spotter, spotting talent isn't his problem, he knows a talented player when he sees one!! As for the one's you mention Lancs, what an absolute load of bollocks!!! PJ offered Wright a coaching position but he wanted to carry on playing for a few more years, although I fail to see how he will actually play at Man City!! The guy has made some very bizzarre career choices for someone who seems pretty down to earth!! The other players you mention were all got rid off under Keane (now there's a man who couldn't judge talent) apart from McAuley who Jewell offered a contract but he had already made the decision to leave!! I would like to have seen all the players you mention still at the club but many people, I suspect including yourself were pleased to see McAuley and Walters leave. McAuley was not a big loss apparently because he was easily replaceable and we had Delaney who many believed was the better defender (what a joke) and when we got over £3 million for Walters most fans on here said they'd drive him up there!!! Funny how many on here change there opinion on players with hindsight!! It's funny how people on here were this time last year saying Smith was rubbish, he had a good 2nd half to the season and those same people say he should be a future Ipswich captain, then after a couple of bad displays we should get rid. Same goes for JET, last year he was rubbish he had a good second half to the season and he was meant to be our best player this year but now some want rid!! What a rollacoaster of opinions!!! RANT OVER (maybe)!!!
Has there been any improvement under Jewell? No of course not. Believe it or not I do realise that most of those players left under Keane, but guess what - he saw them all in training! PJ saw Luke Hyam in training but has rarely given him a chance. The point I was making was that seeing players in training makes no difference at all when it's these inept ****wits making the decisions. As for McAuley I was damnwell fuming. He was the best and only quality CB weve had at the club since Jason De Vos retired. I wasn't too concerned about Walters because he had gone off the boil but that was mostly because he was being played out of position up front in desperation rather than on the right wing where he was deadly for Magic.
We all know that Jewell is a keen spotter of talent! You only have to look at his home movies to work that out!
QUOTE=LancsYorksHampsLondonITFC;3406912]Has there been any improvement under Jewell? No of course not. On judging the potential of youth I would say yes - Keane let Trotter, Clarke, Garvan, Walters, Rhodes go. Jewell has brought in Cresswell, got Martin going, got JET (has talent, question mark over workrate) and scouting the lower leagues for Drury and Hewitt . Believe it or not I do realise that most of those players left under Keane, but guess what - he saw them all in training! PJ saw Luke Hyam in training but has rarely given him a chance. The point I was making was that seeing players in training makes no difference at all when it's these inept ****wits making the decisions. why did you rant about this on a thread about Jewell releasing a keeper then? On Hyam, maybe Jewell did always rate him but thought Leadbitter was the better option. Just because your not in the first team doesnt mean your not rated but only 11 players can be on the field - personally I also prefere Hyam. These ****wits as you call them are 100% different from the ones under Keanes regime so its rather stange bunching them together - the only reminders from that era are Clegg/ Evans As for McAuley I was damnwell fuming. He was the best and only quality CB weve had at the club since Jason De Vos retired. I wasn't too concerned about Walters because he had gone off the boil but that was mostly because he was being played out of position up front in desperation rather than on the right wing where he was deadly for Magic.[/QUOTE] McAuley cant be blamed on any management. if you want to aim fire at someone make it he CEO/ Owner but if he doesnt want to sign a new contract you cant force him. Walters hadnt gone off the boil (IMO - your welcome to your own) but agree that he wasnt as effective as he had been whilst playing out wide. Ultimately it was the slanging match from Roy that ended his career here
Correct me if I'm wrong but Luke Hyam is in the Ipswich first team and about to be offered a new contract?? He hasn't actually been sold by Jewell you know!! Mcauley was the best CB for a while, he was more talented than De Vos but not a leader, he reminded me a bit of McGreal (who was absolutely class), I really think if we would've have kept him llast season we would have finished top half quite comfortably and imagine him in our team now!!! As for Walters he was playing awfully at the time and I agree with you about being played out of position, he didn't seem to keep to a positiion for more than 45 minutes, can't have helped. I always thought we come to regret it in the end, none of our players performed under Keane, I would imagine he would have made Messi look play like a Donkey!!
I was thinking the same thing about my 6 month old son! I think everyone brought too many comments to this thread and it has got out of hand. On the original point and not nit picking but has anyone actually seen Cropper play a game in the flesh?
He made the first team bench on 3 occassions so I take it Jewell has seen quite a bit of him but how much of that actually was at a competitive level I dont know. I couldnt find any stats on our reserve team results from last season. He also may be a promising player (I honestly dont know) but with the way we are jettisoning players it seems that if you havent got a hope of playing in the first team in the next season or two then we are getting shot. I really have no idea of what the club is doing - are we really that skint?
Easy lads - I think he will be 3rd or 4th choice for us. Do you know much about him? Anyone seen him play?
