First of all, I'd like to say that this post is not intended to spark a left/right debate. There has been a fair bit of CI-related discussion since that board was hacked/assassinated/whatever to death, and it would appear that there are lots of people now posting on here who used to post on there, myself included, and I'd like to take the opportunity to analyse some of the differences between that board and this one, as neutrally and objectively as possible. There seems to be a much higher proportion of football-related talk on here than the kind of socio-political warring which took place on CI (via the CI Plus forum), and I'd like to investigate the reasons behind this. As we know, CI had/has a reputation for being a haven for people perceived as being dinosaurs, ex-hooligans and far-right sympathisers, although I think the number of posters who fell into this category were perhaps not as dominant as some would have us believe. The fact is, there were quite a few of us who were in almost perpetual conflict with the "dinosaur" element on there, and my God, were we despised for it! Some of the righties even used to complain that we were the dominant and bullying element on there. The other myth is that CI was/is a board populated largely by "thickos and neanderthals", but this is way wide of the mark, as there were some very articulate posters on both sides of the divide. Certainly, I've seen just about as much poorly-written ****e posted on here in the short time I've been here as I ever did on CI; I think the problem is that some people automatically think that anyone with a right-wing mentality is a moron, which is both a foolish and dangerous assumption to make. I, and others on CI, used to have constant run-ins with certain posters - and sometimes Admin - over what we perceived as unacceptable comments being made by some people on there, to which the response was always the old "freedom of speech" argument. Fair enough; as I said, I'm not posting this for a left-right debate, I'm just curious to understand why there were such marked differences between CI board and others. What was it about CI which meant that views and opinions around subjects such as race/immigration and sexuality, which might be deemed too right wing and perhaps offensive anywhere else, were tolerated? Was it Admin? I always found this hard to believe, as the guy who ran/runs the board is - as far as I'm aware - not politically motivated, and almost certainly not rabidly right-wing, yet one poster was allowed to express some pretty disgusting views, such as denying the Holocaust, seemingly without being challenged by Admin. Was it some collective mindset that simply allowed a momentum to build up, despite the fact that there were still plenty of posters who complained about it? I just find it interesting that some of the people who posted really right wing stuff on CI are now on here, but don't post as much of that kind of thing. Was it the prevailing mentality on there which allowed it; a natural hegemony? Or was it weak moderation? Or something else? Perhaps a couple of the usual suspects could give their views here. One of the most notorious contributors on CI, who constantly started threads with race/immigration and/or sexual politics at their heart, currently posts on here. I'm curious to know what Reg thinks, although I suspect he's not that keen to share any bytespace with me, which is fair enough. His loss, I reckon. It would also appear that Legions/Will is registered here too, even if he doesn't seem to post much. To be honest though, I'd rather the white supremacist, anti race-mixing, Holocaust denying **** would just **** off and die painfully, than make a contribution here
Is Legions definitely the poster known as Will? I know they hold similar views, but thought they had slightly different styles (my memory could be at fault though). Also, I thought Will was posting at the same time as Legions (again could be my memory) - although admittedly, that wouldn't prove they weren't the same due to the many cases of proven multiposting - such as the member555 affair.
One obvious answer is that this is just the Hull City section of a forum that caters for all teams and is owned and run by somebody else CI was an exclusively Hull City forum and could be run however the people in charge wanted to do it I hardly ever read the 'football plus' section though that candw bloke was very strange
Hi Polly and Trout. I would like to point out that I am definitely NOT Legions. As for Polly's question, I think it all depends on the individuals definition of 'right-wing'. Candy would say Tony Blair was right-wing and I would say David Cameron is left-wing. I've read the forum rules for this board and the rules on CI, This board doesn't allow political chat but CI does, so I'll leave it there.
CI has obviously been around longer, forged in the original fires of the Internet and set up and run without any real appreciation that it's actual globally accessible as well as being of interest to more than just Hull City fans. I suspect that a fair few of the members are the same as I used to communicate with in the olden days on Usenet, and the same in some cases that I met up with at games such as Scarboro when our game got called off due to Darlo (mighta been Donny, was a sodding long time ago) being called off due to waterlogged pitch. Some good fellas, some arseholes. That's life. Not606 has its similar areas, General Chat being a case in point, where anything goes and there is zero moderation, but the Football Forums are run with rules that there are no Politics, Race or Religion type debates (subject to terrible Mod decisions sadly). People still don't seem to realise that what they post online is the same in the eyes of the law as if they'd spoken it aloud. In some ways I think, it's worse because it stays around longer than spoken words. Essentially the Hull Not606 forum should just be Hull City football talk, and a bit of Off Topic Banter. In the main it works really well, we have the odd flare up of course but they mostly just die a natural death. I know I'm one of the main "CI Haters" on here, but thats really only because I don't understand why any Hull City site would allow the types of posts you mention. Allowing them encourages them. Encourage on your site and you're as guilty as they are. It's all about responsibility for me. I realise I use a broad brush sometimes for all of CI but that's just me exaggerating for effect. I agree, there ARE some good posters on there, some very eloquent and intelligent ones and I've mentioned on here where I've seen what I consider are sensible comments on there, not often of course We're all Hull City fans tbh, regardless of forum choice, pro or anti name, pro or anti Dr Allam etc. I never have and never will support or ignore the morons who think racist, homophobic or vile abuse is acceptable, be that here, CI or at games, or for that matter at any other club.
As a occasional poster on both forums, originally I was on CI I find the belief that CI is full of bigots etc a bit far fetched.I did have a gripe a couple of years ago when I was quite disgusted about some posters taking the piss out of two young girls suiciding.I am a psych nurses it is my job and obviously something so close to my heart I am going to say something.Someone, who is on here said it was just humour but anyway the point is that it is a Hull City forum and this is a cross section of society. When I was in London I got beaten up by 3 skinheads because I had the temerity to try to talk to them about the pleasures of working with West Indians,the reality is that I will never change their point of view.So I learnt a lesson. I personally know members of CI Kingston Kid and Sunn40 who are decent people,and when I was back in 2012 I met a few people in The Avenues and certainly on first impressions they did not seem bad people. Ci and not 606 are really a bit of a lifeline to me. and I saw it as that. Lets not stereotype everyone on there,and surely the bottom line is we all support City One last thing way back in the 70s I was in Kempton/East Stand and we were playing Colchester United.City lost 3-2 but playing for them was a striker called Lee who a brilliant game he scored a couple, but he was black.I was that disgusted by the way some of the dickheads were calling him ****** etc I wrote to City about it.At that time no black player had ever played for them.My letter was printed with a rider from City backing what I said.Someone wrote back the next programme saying if a black player ever appeared in a City shirt he would never go again. Wonder if he is still supporting City?Again the bottom line is that we all support City, yes I wish all the holocaust deniers,extreme right wingers etc would disappear but it is their right to support City but don't try to convert me as it wont happen Anyway we will survive, I predict Everton away in the 5th
Good post. I would never abuse anyone by using ****** etc. However, you should not close your mind to education. People once thought the earth was flat, you know?
The thing that was most refreshing about reading CI wasn't the left/right debates, lets be honest the pinkos gave as good as they got, it was the intolerence and irreverence given to flaskers, normals and plastic fans. It was a safe house from modern football. No to Hull Tigers.
The lefts arguments were always rendered redundant, evidenced by their resorting to childish insults such as 'nazi' and 'racist'. But I agree, it was definitely no 606.
The only person I ever called a Nazi or a racist on there were you/Legirons, and with very good reason.
After reading the stuff churned out on CI Plus I had no temptation to post on that site. The truth is a site degenerates into a mess like that because of the leniency and leanings of the moderators who control it. Extreme groups don't give a flying **** about football or football message boards, except as an opportunity to manipulate and recruit the feeble-minded. If a moderator is already pally with someone like E.G.D. Wright (whose username is the worst possible insult to an early hero of Hull City BTW) then you can expect a constant pressure by that moderator to favour right wing attitudes and politics. There is also a comical tendency on here for younger posters and mouth-breathers to seek the protective umbrella of the far-right gob-****e clique in order to not get bullied. It's a bit like prison behaviour (so I'm told) and the insecure are usually identifiable by the way they try to swear as often as possible in every sentence. This playground macho one-upmanship also seemed common on CI as it is on the Millwall and Leeds forums on not606 with posters trying to prove they are really hard hooligans and not just sad social inadequates. Lets hope there are enough grown ups among the new influx and native posters on here combined to control the childish element and I'm sure we'll all get along fine.
