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Chris Coleman New Wales Manager

Discussion in 'Cardiff City' started by Swamp, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    i only caught some of the press conference on the BBC website but i was very impressed with what he had to say, remember that CC is actually younger than GS, and has already had around 8 years of managerial experience. he also said that the style of play would fit in with whats currently happening, he said he played that way with larissa, with whom his record was 6 wins, 5 draws and a loss, before resigning over financial issues.

    a few weeks ago it didnt seem like an inspired choice but i think we're lucky he's become available and he really wanted the job!
     
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  2. The Union Jack - RIP Bessian

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    Does anyone know if he's keeping Speed's team or is he bringing in his own guys?
     
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    think the back room staff are staying the same.
     
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  4. Swamp

    Swamp Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;pU4bBdI1D4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU4bBdI1D4k[/video]

    longer version:

    [video=youtube;AUQC1WzT1mg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUQC1WzT1mg[/video]

    watch from 22:55 onwards
     
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  5. H bomb

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    He just said he's gonna sit down and talk to all of them and take it from there.
     
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  6. Swamp

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    he said i'd be fool to break up everything when its going well, if its not broke then dont fix it.
     
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  7. Norway-jack

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    H bomb- I agree with you, i think Cris will just carry on with the current system of play,i think his words were"if it aint broke no need to fix it". I think its a good choice TBH, he has a good experience base knows the welsh scene and is a young ambitous guy,the fact that he has coached abroad means he would have experienced different systems and types of football,overall a good choice and im happy for him.

    I felt that CC was unlucky at Fulham ,he did well for years and was never given the budget that others got after him, same at Coventry as well. Good luck to him and Wales ,i think we should all be quite pleased with this news :)
     
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  8. DaiJones

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    Congratulations to Chris Coleman, it's not going to be easy for him early on, I hope he keeps Dutch Ray & Osian Roberts they deserve time to see if they can work together.
     
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  9. H bomb

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    Norway, Swamp...I agree if its not broke then dont fix it but they may not want to work with him... at least thats what I got from the "sit down and talk comment".

    DJ, everyone I've spoken to is of the same opinion. Nobody will ever forget what Gary Speed did for us but now Coleman is in, hopefully everyone (players and staff) will continue as one and get us on the plane to RIO <ok>
     
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  10. Swamp

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    Croatia, Serbia, Belgium, Scotland, Macedonia, Wales.

    that is a deceptively tough group, we all know about croatia but if we think we've got a crop of good young players then take a look at belgiums: Lukaku, Hazard (what a player), Vermaelen, Kompany, Dembélé and Fellaini, as well as a load of others which play in top european leagues...

    serbia: Vidic, Ivanovic and Krasic are the main ones but you have a load of other quality players if you loook at their squad.

    scotland: we know all about them, with a few like miller and mcnaughton here

    macedonia: managed by toshack, he'll know our players inside out..

    i'd be delighted if we were to finish 3rd in that group <ok>
     
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    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    good choice and really the only choice, now like Garry he needs a little time to settle in and that should not be much of a problem with speeds backroom staff already in place.......good luck chris The best man available for the job.....<ok>
     
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    Why wouldnt they want to work with him though? Fulham were never a long ball team when he was there, anyway who the **** do the players think they are? would they prefer a "big name" like sven erriksson <laugh>

    He will do a tidy job, no worse than Gary Speed IMO , who had a terrible first year in charge RIP.
     
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  13. H bomb

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    Sven <laugh> I think CC was referring to the backroom staff
     
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  14. Swamp

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    90% of management is about players. he has a good bunch so i think he'll do well for us, he wont cost the earth as well, i always have a chuckle to myself about how england have wasted £50m in wages on eriksson and capello <laugh>
     
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    Not really, look at John Toshack. He had exactly the same players at his disposal and he was ****e.

    Can't help but feel getting Chris Coleman in is a backward step. We should've appointed someone that Verheijen was willing to work with. The rumour is that Kit Symons will be replacing him, that would just be a terrible move. Verheijen was the guy who had the know how of qualifying for major tournaments and fixing the team up with a winning mentality while playing good football. Why get rid of him and get Kit Symons who's got no track record of success in coaching whatsoever?
     
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    the minute that speedo died sadly coleman was always next in line and rightly so, he is keeping the same backroom staff but he will do things his way and that is the right way to do the job, he has the responsibility now so he is the boss who ultimately makes the final choices. i can see this swansea jack doing very well.....
     
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  17. Swamp

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    to a monkey looking at a piece of player and concluding they are the same players, maybe, but for those of us in the real world:

    - gary speed, and a host of other players retired when he was appointed as a manager replacing hughes.
    -most of the players who are now renowned star players for us were not ready for international football when toshack started playing them.
    -toshack gave players like bale, ramsey, hennessey, gunter, blake, ledley and so on, international starts when other weaker coaches would've stuck with dead wood players who would've pehaps given us, in the short term, a few decent results, but longer term, the next coach would have had a complete rebuilding job.
    -it is down to toshack that players like ledley, gunter and hennessey have over 30 caps, and have gained important international experience.
    -comparing a 17 year old bale to a 23(?) year old bale now is effectively what you're doing, anyone who knows anything about football will appreciate the groundwork that toshack did for the wales international side, the only criticism is his tactics and man management..
    -is it really down to speed that players like allen, taylor and morison(first played by tosh) are coming good? no.
    -an injury list as long as the distance from the moon and back.
     
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  18. ivoralljack

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    Well said, Swamp. Toshack's vision is bearing fruit and we have a lot to thank him for.
     
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  19. Lucaaas

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    What Wales did you watch under Toshack!? We looked just as crap when we played away against Montenegro and lost under Toshack. That was only an year ago. No excuses can be made about the age and experience of the players at that time. The only reason he brought in the young players was because the older ones had all retired because he was such a selfish, egotistical man who had to do everything his way or would force people out of the squad. Its why we never did well under him, because great managers are able to compromise at times, Toshack wasn't. The only reason we have such a great core of youngsters is because Bryan Flynn did great work in the youth setup, Toshack actually did very little to assist their development as international players. He played Gareth Bale as a wing back for goodness sake! Its funny how most of the players that played well under Speed like Morrison, Gunter, Crofts, Vaughan etc were considered dead wood under Toshack but then when another manager came in they miraculously looked like good players.
     
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  20. Swamp

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    decent points made, but ramsey is such a crucial cog in the machine and he was out for a year because of the shawcross tackle, didnt he score goals in the win over scotland before he was injured? i know its only one player, but probably, bale, apart, most important..

    i'm not defending his tactics or man management, clearly both were badly lacking, but what i am defending is his balls to put in a load of youth players and take the flak from the fans and press, and the fact that there was some good work done, it only went tits up really at the end because of losing ramsey, also, the commitment of the players must be called into question, as i said before there were about 10 players missing every match, but speed got them back into the fray and played them, thus proving my point that management is about having good players..

    i'm not the only one who appreciates the groundwork done by tosh, i'm sure speed would testify that if he was here..
     
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