http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/10/jose-mourinho-chelsea-pellegrini-manchester-city Well, Jose has admitted it. I am surprised he has been so open though. We had a deliberate policy of stockpiling and farming out players to sell to meet FFP. Nothing in the rules to stop it I don't think
As long as you don't snare any talented Englanders, I fail to give a damn. Strange that the FFP let this carry on though.
It seems to me that it's a far 'fairer' way to do it then what PSG and City are doing with their inflated false sponsorship. If a player is good enough he'll make the team and if not he'll make a profit. Seems fine to me.
Why? It is a legal way to do things both morally and financially. The young players get to train with top class players like Hazard, Terry etc, then they get loaned to a decent club where they get game time and experience, and then, if deemed good enough, they get to join our squad, and if not, then we sell them to a decent club where we make a nice profit and they get to carry on their careers in peace at another club. Particularly for Courtois and Lukaku, their loan spells have seen them improve immensely as players, with plenty of game time under their belts, and both their profiles have been raise immeasurably, if not deemed good enough for us, they will get snapped up by other clubs in an instant, so its good for their careers too. Fail to see anything wrong with that.
30 players out on loan, now I'm not sure how any are in the EPL, but it doesn't really make it a level playing field. I know its allowed, & all clubs can follow Chelsea's blue print.....but that doesn't make it right. Jack Cork is a good example of how your loan system does not benefit the player. Of-course, you'll defend it, but search you soul, the next potential *John Terry, would you want him farmed out for five years to get games, or be at a smaller club playing consistently where it might benefit England & its depleted talent pool. I know which I'd prefer, & that's meant as not slight on you. *I thought I'd use John as an example having come through your system successfully. A rare example.
I fail to see the difference between these two. Are you suggesting he wont improve as a player because he is loaned to the club instead of contracted to them? Again, i will point to Piazon, Courtois, Lukaku and several others as a counter point. Cork just wasnt good enough...period. Many players come through our academy to become successful footballers, maybe not at Chelsea, but there are lots that go on to have careers, Carlton Cole, Graeme Le Saux, Craig Burley, Fabio Borini, Robert Huth etc
Is Lakuku good enough? Does anyone come back from a loan and make it at Chelsea......or is it just for financial purposes. We shouldn't pretend its to benefit the players development, that's just too wide of the mark.
If a player is not deemed good enough for your team, how can you make a profit, as when it comes to contract time he can walk away and the club he goes to gets him free, or is it more complex than that?
Does it matter? If it improves them as a player and helps their career, what difference does it make if we sell him or keep him?!? And if you think Lukaku and Courtois loan spells haven't benefited the players development then the conversation needs to stop now, as there is no point carrying on talking to you. Both are considered two of the biggest emerging talents in Europe, despite having never played for Chelsea (much).
Lets look at our loan players and see where they are- Lukaku is at Everton and is doing a great job, he could make it at Chelsea but if he was sold he would command a large transfer fee. Victor Moses is at Liverpool, he hasn't been that good for them but there would be plenty of teams who would snap him up. Ryan Bertrand is at Villa and will be a regular for them. Not sure if he will make it at Chelsea but again plenty of team would take him in an instant. Chalobah is on loan at Boro and is a bright young talent. He could make it if he lives up to his potential. Josh McEachran is at Wigan. I don;t think he will make it but we could sell him easily to championship clubs. Bamford is at Derby and is doing very well, he is one to keep an eye on. Todd Kane is a regular at Blackburn. Lalkovic is at Walsall but I think he is out of contract at the end of the season and I think he will leave us then. Saville is at Brentford but I don't think he will make it but we could maybe sell to someone in lower divisions. Thibaut Courtois is at Atletico Madrid and is widely regarded as the best young keeper around, he could easily make it at Chelsea but if sold would make us a lot of money. Kurt Zouma we signed in January and is a bright young talent. He could well be part of our first team next season. Thorgan Hazard is Eden brother and he is on loan at Zulte-Waregem, he was begium player of the year in 2013. In 23 league games, he has scored nine times and provided 11 assists. Eden has said before that Thorgan is better than him and there are rumours that he will be loan to a Prem team next season. Oriol Romeu is on loan at Valencia. He is a regular for then but I don't think he will make it with Chelsea and if we are to sell we will have to do it this summer. Lucas Piazón is at Vitesse and is doing well scoring 11 goals and having 8 assists. He has the potential to make it here. Wallace was on loan at Inter but didn't do well and was sent back, I'm not totally sure if he is still with us or if we have loaned him again. Marko Marin is at Sevilla and I think he has done ok although he isn't a regular for them. Christian Atsu is at Vitesse, he is a good talent and he did well at Porto. Patrick van Aanholt is also at Vitesse. I think he may leave us soon. Gaël Kakuta is at Lazio and isn't getting games. He will leave us. Sam Walker is at Colchester and is having a good season but his contract is up at the end of the season and I think he'll leave then I don't know much about these guys- Ulises Dávila is at Córdoba CF. Cristian Cuevas is at FC Eindhoven. Stipe Perica is at NAC Breda. Matej Delac is at Sarajevo. Bertrand Traoré is a new signing and is another player that is at Vitesse. Billy Clifford is at Royal Antwerp. I think that is everyone but I may have missed some.
What I want to know is why you care so much what goes on at Chelsea? This isn't the first time you've been on here talking about it. If a player is good enough he'll make it here, the players that have been ****ed off have all gone on to play at an average or lower level - Cork included! There is absolutely nothing wrong with having as many players out on loan as we do, they're all getting valuable first team experience rather than playing in the ****ty under 21 league over here. Fine by me. FYI - Lukaku has performed only marginally better than Torres this season. Torres has scored 8 goals in 23 appearances, Lukaku 9 in 21.
No problem in my opinion. Players training with top quality players and subsequently being loaned out undoubtedly would say their time at CFC was fundamental for their progress throughout their career. No club continually churns out top class youngsters and just because we're a (undoubtably these days) a massive club these days means jack all-we are also prone to make mistakes in promoting the wrong players and accepting poor youngsters. We DO however scout all over the globe and give players a chance to impress both at cobham and across the globe at our 'feeder clubs'. We're not quatari slave masters, these lads are paid handsomly for their services and are supported well from afar by Mr emenalo et. al. If these players were somehow being slighted they are VERY welcome to leave!! (just look at juan mata...)
Id love it if Liverpool did it. Its in the rules, you'd be stupid not to do it if you can afford to. More young players you have, more likely you are to find a gem. If it helps with FFP all the better. It goes a little way to support the argument that FFP is a farce, but that's not Chelseas fault.
If we buy all the worlds youngsters ,we can make the Financial Rules work for us simply by being a supplier of players for all the other teams.
In the absence of having a 60,000 capacity stadium I see no problem with it; in the short term it'll be one of the ways that will help us comply with FFP. Ultimately something will have to give on the stadium issue if we're to keep pace with the rest.
