Fifa have provisionally agreed to limit the number of loan deals a parent club can make - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45643965 Chelsea currently have 40 players out on loan. We have mentioned that, with a lack of Chelsea B, Man City B, like La Liga clubs have, the top English teams have been stockpiling talent and loaning them out round Europe. This has pros and cons, with the pros for clubs like us that they can get players we could not otherwise afford, but the cons ultimately meaning that transfer prices are inflated. I have often wondered if market trading in this way was a good revenue stream, seeing as most loans now command exorbitant loan fees, but figured if it was a way to make money, Mike would be doing it. Apparently the recommended limit is 6 loans out per club, which would mean Chelsea having to flog a lot of players soon, so this is an interesting development... we could probably buy Kenedy for a fiver the way he has been playing.
I would love this to happen. The big boys (namely Chelski) have been getting away with this for years.
About time, it is getting ridiculous the number of players rich clubs have stock piled,if this comes about I'll be like a hoy oot
Should happen and the main hope is that top clubs in other leagues have "B" teams so won't be to worried by this otherwise I couldn't see it happening. What I would worry about is a lot of English talent being stuck in the U23 teams for longer not getting competitive football under their belts while the foreign nationals at the big clubs over here get preference on a loan move. Club's like Chelsea, City, Man U etc will still be able to pay higher wages to these kids while they rot away in the U23 leagues getting a few games in the EFL Trophy...
I personally think that some of the players would opt NOT to join the big clubs for this very reason. Meaning they will most likely get game time at lower premiership/championship clubs and transfer fees for the kids may in fact reduce. The big clubs won't stock pile the players because they won't be able to extract absorbent loan fees for them. It will hit the top clubs top line turnover. Therefore they will not be able to recover wage costs etc. Additionally at present the top clubs stock pile the players so that they do not have them playing against them. I can only see this news as good news for everyone else other than the top 4-6 clubs.
Possibly and as I say I think its a good idea in principle but playing devils advocate: Look at someone like Harry Kane a local bred Tottenham lad (know he supported Arsenal as a youngster but has been on their books since 11y/o) who went all around the leagues on loan before getting a chance at Spurs and even in that first season only got 10 appearances. If they'd decided not to take the chance on him or not to loan him out in favor of 6 other players would he be where he is now? He only got 14 goals across 60 odd appearances out on loan and could have easily been cast aside or sold off and never reached the heights he has. Same with Dummett here - loaned out betweeen 21-23 to Gateshead and St Mirren, some managers like Pardew still didn't think he was good enough, now he's one of our most consistent performers (not saying he's great but he's a solid 6/7 every week), top appearance makers in the squad and a solid mid table LB. Also think at 18-21 clubs will still hoover them up, put them in the U23's for 3-5 years and see how they get on, maybe give them a season on loan instead of 4/5/6 seasons. If a kid has the opportunity to go and try and make it at City on £20k a week or slug it out in the championship on £10k a week I think most of them would take the chance at City. Could be we see a "B" team system come into place over here as a result which will relegate smaller teams. Pretty sure teams like City, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal youth teams would run riot in league 1 and 2. That or more links between clubs owned by the same people across different nations (Man C and NYCFC) on 2 year transfer deals with options to re-buy like they have out in Europe.
A simple way of looking at it for me is as follows: Take Chelsea for example. They currently have approx 40 players out on loan at present. If each is earning say on average £20k a week that is £42 million pounds on wages. Lets say the average price of each player was say £2 million (that is being conservative) that is another £80 million and then add signing on fees you could add another £20 million to that so overall your talking about £140 million. The players are loaned out and wages most likely paid for by the clubs they loan them to. In addition they most likely receive loan fees at a similar level to the transfer fees and signing on fees. I.E What I am saying is they have 40 players on their books that they theoretically do not pay for. Thus they can do this, sell them on for a whopping profit (AKA Kennedy for £20 million prior to him being shank this season) and bobs your uncle. They rinse and repeat each year. If one of these players pulls through (AKA Kane) then they win again. If they can only loan out say 6 a year they cannot cover the costs and therefore they simply won't do it. They will still get the cream of the crop but it means that other clubs will get a crack at the whip and might unearth some Kanes/Allis of their own.
Just on the possibility of a "B" team/U23 team going into the league system Last year Man City could have easily fielded: Zinchenko*-Stones-Laporte-Mendy Foden*-B.Silva*-B.Diaz Sterling-G.Jesus*-Sane* As an U23's team - with * not needing to be registered (U21 last season). 5/10 there wouldn't have to be registered with the first team squad if signed before 18 as qualified as "Home Grown" - imagine that team in the Championship...they wouldn't even need a GK...
Just checked on Soccerway. I know sad and get a life. Anyway stats as follows. 1. Bournemouth 17 2. Arsenal 15 3. Brighton 18 4. Burnley 10 5. Cardiff 8 6. Chelsea 38 7. Crystal Palace 7 8. Everton 22 9. Fulham 13 10. Huddersfield 7 11. Leicester 13 12. Liverpool 25 13. Man City 28 14. Man Utd 12 15. Us 18 16. Southampton 14 17. Spurs 9 18. Watford 28 19. West Ham 13 20. Wolves 37 Some quite surprising figures there in each direction. Man Utd only 12 in contrast to Watford’s 28 and Wolves 37. The bottom line is the loan system is being abused. I agree with GG that at the minute there is nothing to lose for the likes of Chelsea in “farming” young players in and out and making a penny or two in the process but destroying young players careers and killing the transfer system upon which a lot of smaller Clubs rely on to break even at the same time.
30/08/18 L. Charman Accrington Loan 30/08/18 D. Barlaser Accrington Loan 15/08/18 H. Saivet Bursaspor Loan 08/08/18 R. Aarons Slovan Loan 05/08/18 D. Gayle West Bromwich Loan 19/07/18 J. Colback Nottm Forest Loan 31/01/18 F. Woodman Aberdeen Loan 30/01/18 J. Sterry Crewe Loan 30/01/18 R. Aarons Verona Loan 30/01/18 A. Mitrović Fulham Loan 30/01/18 J. Colback Nottm Forest Loan 30/01/18 H. Saivet Sivasspor Loan 25/01/18 C. Williams Gateshead Loan 18/01/18 L. McNall Gateshead Loan 18/01/18 D. Barlaser Crewe Loan 17/01/18 K. Cameron Queen South Loan 10/01/18 I. Toney Scunthorpe Loan 08/01/18 A. Armstrong Blackburn Loan My bad. I've just noticed it's just recording all loans in 2018. Just ignore me. Probably best for everyone.
