Lovren wouldn't be cheap as Saints have no need to sell. Caulker would be a lot cheaper due to the release clause that's been mentioned following relegation. Also be nice to have a bit of English steel at CB and hopefully be that "old fashioned CB" that Carragher was.
Skrts Caulker Lovren Total Errors----------------4---------------------0--------------------------1 Goals Scored---------------7---------------------5-------------------------2 whit stat would be people rather our defenders had, cut out the errors, or accept it as they contribute up top in goals?
The first. Let the defender defend and the forwards attack. We get enough goals from Suarez/Sturridge/Gerrard/Sterling. It's like asking would you rather have Suarez or Kuyt? Would you rather have your forward score goals... or work hard defensively?
but we have also had important goals scored by skrts to start the ball rolling in games, and probably the reason why in a few games we have got 3pts, yes i appreciate he has also cost us 3pts, but that's why i was asking the question. also compare his errors and goals with the other players and skrts finished in a team that finished 2nd, one of them players got relegated, so how great was his defending?
Depends who you ask. I would take the goals. Someone like, oh I don't know, Maureen would chastise his most effective attacking players for not being defenders. Bad comparison anyway, cos Suarez puts in a heck of a shift as well. Suarez is just like Kuyt in terms of work rate, but with more skill, guile, goals and ability. No one would take Kuyt.
Ok, Sturridge or Kuyt? Defenders should be able to defend first and foremost, if not why are they defenders? You ask what's more important for keepers, being able to pass the ball around or able to save shots? Most important for me is always being able to save shots, if they can then pass the ball then it's an added bonus. Carragher was one of our best defenders for the last 10 years... how many goals did he score? It's a nice added bonus but if you get a defence that can keep clean sheets then you don't need them to get you goals as you then only need your forwards to get you 1 goal and in 99% of our games I'd fancy Sturridge/Suarez/Sterling to get me a goal.
If you watch our game away at Cardiff, Caulker got caught under the ball and failed to clear it properly for our 5th goal. I'm not saying he's **** because of that but how does that not go down as an error? These error stats always seem a bit dodgy to me.
I agree with you IBWT. Ok, Skrts has 7 goals which is nice, but his bread and butter should be to defend and his errors and OG's this season are costly factors. I would much prefer we had a shored up defence because you would fancy our strike force to grab a goal.
What errors are the stats including? Own goals are unfair because some of Skrtel's own goals were because he was at least trying to get a block in rather than standing around scratching his bollocks. Our setup wasn't defensively tight either, so players in our team are naturally going to have poorer defensive stats than other teams. I bet you the holy Kompany would have had his stats tarnished at our club too. Personel helps, as does a leader which we lack, but alot is also down to our playstyle.
But then was our playing style dictated by personnel? Why play a defensive way if that's the worse part of your team? Our best players are our forwards, therefor play to their strengths. If we had Kompany & Zabaleta in defence I'm not saying we'd have been as defensive as Chelsea, but maybe we wouldn't have been as gung ho in attack knowing we need to score at least 3 or 4 goal as our defence is capable of conceding just as many.
This article claims Skrtel only made 4 mistakes? The guy scored 5+ own goals... No offence but that's pure bs Edit: although it's true not all the own goals I would classify as mistakes, I am aware of our defence making several houling mistakes each game (let alone throughout the season)
Skrtel plays in a team with Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Coutinho, Sterling etc etc. Our goal scoring got us 2nd place. Caulker does not have that luxury. Caulker's job was harder.
Rather have Skrtel than Sakh O' **** starting next season Biggest disappointment of the season for me, thought he was going to be a beast but he looks more nervous than a Lib Dem councillor on election night...and our keeper doesn't help the general air of chaos in our defence either. Got less control of his box than a serial squirter at an orgy.
that argument makes it worst for me, as Skrtel played in a team where the focus was on attacking which left the defence exposed and vulnerable more, Caulker was the opposite and still got relegated.
But Skrtel was in a team That dominated possession in most games and had 3 very good midfielders infront of him. Caulker was under constant pressure in a side always defending so you'd think would make more mistakes but didn't. Might suggest that Skrtels concentration levels aren't very good. It's like they say about keepers, the top class keepers can do nothing all game then pull off a save in the 90ty minute to win the game.
