http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...ckay-to-replace-Dave-Jones-article745385.html I know its the mirror but they must have got their info from somewhere! Thoughts? Would he be good for us?
just posted the same on the Watford board. No offence to MM but wouldn't £300k + a transfer fee (love to know where the red tops get their info) be money better spent in the transfer market, given our current player situation? Obviously I've no idea what any available budget is but with equally good unattached managers being interviewed, spending this alleged sum on top of whatever else doesn't make sense to me...but hey, I don't run the club
Mackay clearly wants out. He's just lost Graham to the Jacks and Buckley to Brighton - two players that starred for him last season. A fresh start would suit him, but he needs to be able to rebuild from the bottom with us. His Scottish connections could be useful - there're some good players up there, but not as many as the Jocks would like you to believe. Apparently a strong character who got Watford playing again last season - probably the best away team performance I saw at the CCS along with Norwich and Millwall. No problem with him if he's the choice, but agree with H, do we need to fork out compo to Watford? That sort of money could buy another Whitts or Jay.......
H bomb a good manager would bring far more benefits to the club than a measly £300k. yes its money that could be spent on the club but remember that the club has already committed to paying the sacked manager jones £750k so thats even worse. he looks like a bright prospect, and wouldnt command high wages so he could be worth a punt to be honest, he's managed to a good standard in the championship so far in his career so we could do worse than him IMO.
How do you know the club has committed £750K to Jones? His contract and it's apparent performance related structure could mean he would have had to settle for a lot less for the new season. Either way, Jones has gone whatever the cost, but I bet he hasn't walked with anything like that sort of cash. I'll stand to be corrected if you have the facts though.
he was on a one year rolling contract, his basic wage was £750k so therefore he is due one years salary - this fact has been widely reported for many weeks if you want to google it for yourself. anyway, thats irrelevant, my main point was that a good manager would be worth far, far more than his wage / compensation alone to this club. lets be honest in todays game £300k is nothing, so that certainly wont put us off. anyway, this story seems like complete speculation: The statement read: “Watford Football Club wishes to confirm that it has not received an official approach for the services of manager Malky Mackay. “The Hornets boss signed a new deal earlier this year, therefore continues to be under contract at Vicarage Road.” Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footba...or-malky-mackay-91466-28839718/#ixzz1OgZjobVw
No offence swamp, but his BASIC wage was £750K?? Are you sure? Google and it's contributors have no more of a direct line into DJ's contract terms than you or I - it's all speculation. Anyway, who knows what sort of deal was agreed between both parties to enable his departure? I do agree though that £300K to get the right manager should not be a stumbling block.
Well said Swamp. Besides, the current manager of your rivals left us to join Reading for around £1m, with less time less on his contract, and having achieved less than Malky. If he does leave (and I wouldn't blame him at all for doing so having just sold his best two players), you'd think it would be for a heck of a lot more than £300k.
Swamp, I take your point that the club maybe committed to, basically writing off, £750k to DJ now he's gone but I just can't see them laying out another £300k + transfer fee (if red tops are to be believed) on getting another manager when there are equally good managers available who wouldn't involve any compo. Maybe I'm just being too frugal with other peoples money or more likely, overly cautious. Such is the life of a bluebird...never a dull moment
well, under mackay watford have finished 16th and 14th, solid finishes yes, but on the face of it he hasnt done much to be as highly rated as you suggest. there are other options like hughton and di matteo, but crucially, they have promotions on their CV's (albeit with better clubs). i'm not suggesting he's a bad manager at all, just that we dont need to be held to ransom by anyone as there are 2 good managers for a start who wouldnt cost us compensation. i agree that there are good managers out there, 2 of which i outlined just then, all i'm saying is that the manager is the most important cog of the whole club, and although it seems stupid to pay say, £500k when there are managers who we could get for nothing, i bet di matteo and hughton would command much higher salaries than mackay, for instance.
fair points Swamp. Personally, I'm in the Hughton camp though I just hope whoever gets the nod is the right decision for the club, as we all do. The longer it goes on, the more I'm starting to believe it will be. If compo has to be paid then I'm sure it wouldn't be done lightly though I'll stick with my original opinion and will wait and see. All exciting stuff
I always understood that the £750K figure, if it was ever true, included his bonus which was paid in cardiff city Ltd shares, which for most of his time here were worth squat. He might still hold them or they may have paid him a rate for them. As for his rolling contract I understood the Malasians put an end to that last season, so I assumed it was no longer in place. I think he probably left by mutual agreement, but allowed himself to be 'sacked' for the compo which the club happily paid for the things he'd achieved short of promotion, sometimes on a zero budget. If so I for one wouldn't begrudge him a penny. He didn't make any bitter statement when he went did he, just slipped quietly away, probably with the proverbial briefcase full of dosh, and why not? As for the paying for a new manager. I think there are wnough out there without paying that money for a half chance.
I read something last week that the Malaysians had terminated DJ's rolling contract when they came on board. That being the case then we certainly wouldn't have paid out £750k to let him go. There was probably some sort of financial settlement but nowhere near that amount. £300k seems a fair price for Malkie if that is where we are going. But if so then for Chrsit's sake do it so we can get things moving. Players are changing clubs now (Henderson, Graham, Morrison, Friedel, Whickham are names that spring to mind now with the likes of Young, Jones and more following) and if we don't get someone in we will miss the boat on potential targets, despite what was said on another thread yesterday.
i dont think we'll see any significant transfer activity for another couple of weeks minimum, even if we got a new manager tomorow. it takes time in football for the manager to assess the squad etc and then draw up a list of targets and so on. anyway i dont think we will see too much activity by any other clubs until around july at the earliest. theres no point rushing through an appointment, the club are doing it the right way, so you've got to trust them that they will deliver a new manager by next week like they said.
Some very interesting views here. I have seen Malky coach and now manage Watford for 5 years now and I can tell you he is set for great things. So why would he want to join Cardiff, because I can't see anything attractive about the club. I can see from the squad list a club "in transition", and you guys say that Cardiff have a "zero budget". For the last 2 years MacKay has had a budget of about £8m which would have barely covered Bellamy's costs. So you guys might think a playing budget around the £30m mark is zero, but whoever joins Cardiff will have a big job on their hands. IMO Malky will be offered far better situations in the next few months, so whilst he might listen to what Cardiff have to offer, I can't see him sailing down the Taff.
How about higher league positions over the last couple of years (suggesting that there is less work to be done than at watford), yes we have lost a few players but you have just sold the player that carried you all season to Swansea and on top of that have just sold your Winger for £1m to Brighton so its seems you have a big job at Watford to be done as you could only finish 14th now your minus your best player and a top winger as well. Better stadium, crowds, training facilities etc. Who said we have a zero budget, we have supposed to have a zero budget for the last 3 years but havent done bad considering. So the question really should be - why wouldnt he want to move?
With respect Elixir, you're viewing the situation through yellow tinted glasses. The only mention of a zero budget I can see references the work DJ did "sometimes on a zero budget" which over the 6 years he was here was often the case. Whoever comes in will have a budget (though we don't know what that will be) so why not MM? My views on whether he would or not are documented in other threads (and on your board) but the reality is that in the 5 years he's been with you, however good he is, you haven't really achieved anything and now with you selling off your best players who's to say MM wouldn't relish the chance of a fresh start, build from scratch and (hopefully) push for promotion rather than settle for another mid table finish...no offence intended.
