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Cantona: We want Pep

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  1. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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  2. gav81

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    I've always agreed with King Eric that Mourinho's negative play style isn't fit for United.

    But I don't think Pep is the man to turn it around given his now City background. Other options like Ancelotti, Sampaoli and Hassenhuttl are well known for their attacking approach.

    Then there's Roy Keane who could reinstall the type of philosophy that existed under Ferguson.
     
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    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Mourinho was brought in for the brand not for the football. His misery grates on me.

    Pochettino is absolutely perfect for us, his philosophy of developing young talent could make him a legend here. He was my pick before Jose arrived and still is, regardless of the fact that Spurs can't get the job done.
     
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    The only question I have over the Poch man, is he attacking enough?

    At the attacking end of the scale there's currently Pep and Kloppity. At the defensive end Jose and ****e. Poch seems to fall somewhere in the middle.

    Shouldn't United aim to be the most attacking team in the land?
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    I think you need special type of players to just be full throttle attacking team without becoming Liverpool. Pep gets away with it because he has sugar daddy to get him whatever he wants to make it happen. As such, you have to give Poch full credit for what he has done with Spurs. He is the best manager in the league right now, as far as I'm concerned based on the limited resources available to him. Even if Pep wins 38 games, there will always be that doubt over him if he could do it without spending obscene loads of money.

    Mourinho is the most pragmatic of them all. He won't ever be attacking in all games, nor would he be playing defensively all the way. I like his pragmatic approach but he has spent way too much to not not have the balls to be going at top teams home and away.

    So yes:
    Resourcefulness = Poch
    Value for money = Poch
    Humility = Poch
    Blend in youth = Poch
    Chrisma = Mourinho
    Calculated = Mourinho
    Intense coaching = Pep
    Attacking "philosophy" = Pep
    Moron = Klopp (I profoundly believe that this man has smoked his brain away)

    I actually wouldn't mind an ex-player like Roy Keane. I think if given the resources, he would be a good coach due to his raw passion and demand for excellence.
     
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    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    Poch would be the ideal successor to JM but there is constant talk in the press here that he will be a target for either Atletico or Real Madrid
     
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    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    It'll be interesting to see what happens next with Poch, he seems to be on board with Spurs and they are looking to take that next step of winning something. If they can take that next step he may well stay there but if they continue to just get in the top for and nothing else then he may be tempted away.
     
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    I think he probably knows that they won't win anything tangible to tempt him to stay. They may win an odd cup or whatnot, but I don't see them anywhere the league. It's going to be like Newcastle of the late 90s.

    I'm sure if any of the big dogs go for him, he would consider his options.
     
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    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Not convinced Poch would be up for the job at Utd, any more than Moyes was. Both of them have overachieved with smaller sides, but Poch has shown shades of Moyes in the way he has given up on the title already this season.

    It's alright for the Spurs manager to give up on the title in November, but if the Utd manager did that he would be absolutely castigated.

    As for Mourinho, he's arguably the manager we need, not the manager we want. After Moyes and LVG we needed someone to put the sheen back on the club with some good trophy wins, and attract the big names needed to form a solid foundation.

    I think Mourinho will fall short in the league this year and next year as well then leave, possibly with another couple of cups in the cabinet. But he will leave us with a good enough side that we can bring in a more attacking manager and they won't have to build from scratch.
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    The rhetorical question is - How would we know that Poch would not be up for the job at United? We can only look at his record as a manager and based on that, he's certainly the best option in this league outside of Pep and Jose. Further, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Moyes but any means. Moyes was always an average manager in my opinion. His mentality was never that of a winner. Sir Alex made a grave mistake recommending him.

    I do agree with you that Jose was much needed when he came him. We needed someone with big personality to handle the pressure and stabilize us. We were never going to get Pep and I frankly believe he went for the easiest option - (he wanted unlimited money bags). It's very easy to create whatever brand of football you want when you have unlimited resources. Without that, you would get nowhere near 70% possession in every game. Even LVG managed that but didn't have the right resources to see it through. That's the problem with stupid philosophies. Which is why I prefer more adaptive managers as Zidane has shown in the past two years and for the most part, Jose as well. Poch, however, is the most resourceful of them all.
     
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    But Moyes has won more than Pochettino. Admittedly only a lower league title with Preston, but Poch has won **** all.

    If anything, Poch has a worse record for bottling big matches than Moyes. At Spurs he's had the players and the opportunities but always falls at the last. Could've won the League Cup in his first season and FA Cup last season but choked to Chelsea both times, and threw away a good chance of the title by only winning four out of their last eleven games in 2016. Have to be honest, I think that problem would only worsen at Utd, where he would be in a position to challenge for more trophies more often.

    Even now he's somehow conspiring to fall behind Arsenal in the league after three years of much greater stability and higher spending. He's a decent manager, but I wouldn't put him ahead of Conte, Wenger, arguably even Klopp considering Poch has had more than a year longer at Spurs.
     
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    Ayyy? Poch hasn't won anything in almost nine years as a manager. In his first job he was sacked, leaving Espanyol rock bottom of La Liga. He's done ok at Southampton and Spurs, moderately better than 'Arry, but nothing spectacular. I think he's lucky with the opportunities he's been given really.

    Even Keano has won more than Poch as a manager (and never left a team bottom of the league).
     
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    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    @Hoddle Is A God @PISKIE
     
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    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    Would you be happy if that is what Mou gave you after 3 seasons... a squad that does not need rebuilding. That would be 6 seasons of not being a top club.

    You should be up there with Bayern Barca Real every season.

    I can't imagine Real or Barca fans being as tolerant!!
     
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    In a two team league they would probably be right to be disgruntled after 6 years of not winning the title, fortunately we are in a league a little bit different and have much more competition so the entitlement is just not there.
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    When was the last time any of those clubs had to compete with bottomless oil money?
     
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    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    You haven’t talked to any Liverpool fans recently then. They still have a sense of entitlement!

    When Fergie left, were you cool about not winning the league for 4 years while playing anti-football on a big budget ?
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    This the same Andrei Kanchelskis who ****ed off to Everton for a better deal?

    Next we'll be asking Gabriel Heinz's opinion.

    Who gives a ****?
     
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