Bye Bye Jeremy

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

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Should there be a second Brexit vote

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Dont know

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  4. Its too late

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  5. Ell rulz

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  6. couldnt give a fook

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  7. Will WJ ever see whats hitting him smack in the face

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  1. dbc

    dbc Well-Known Member

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    So on the one hand we should trust business except when members of the business say we should do something like installing fibre over copper even if it goes against the governments ideology of the day?

    On the other hand should we trust business when they bankrupt our country?

    Interesting allegiance sidenote; the root cause of the financial crisis; CDO's - “As long as investors understand the risk/rewards of an emerging-market CDO, they are very appropriate, investors are getting a huge amount of leverage and they are comfortable taking the risk”. Sajid Javid 2006 in his role at Deutsche Bank as head of global credit trading in Asia a role where he sold CDO's... No wonder he wouldn't go for a head to head televised debate with McDonnell.

    As for not being able to deliver, ever - it's going to happen because it's going to have to happen, whether that's done by piecemeal over a lengthy period, or done quicker as a national investment.

    The reason I have a problem is because I'm sick of being conned; oh look here's an easy sell - yep you do that business and make an easy profit. Oh this bit's more expensive and difficult - oh don't worry about that the taxpayer can cover that instead... Oh you want to run a railway - great here have some profits. Oh you ****ed up and bid too much for the franchise, don't worry, just walk away and the tax payer will do it instead.

    And as for my age probably best not to make too many assumptions. Think only on the confines of this board would I still get classified as a 'young' man/
     
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  2. Alf Hooker

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    None of mine have got a meat and two veg:emoticon-0117-talki
    Can't speak for SniFf though:rolleyes:
     
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  3. Alf Hooker

    Alf Hooker Well-Known Member

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  4. lifecheshirewhite

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    Err yes we have num nuts,when both sides have agreed the basis for leaving, it's called a deal,as we already work with the EU very closely it's should be very easy to finalise and sign off, unless you're a dick just trying put spanners in the works, you lost we won, you're going to get your arse kicked again in the election, have you ever been right about anything ?
     
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  5. dbc

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    Both sides have reached an agreement for how the UK will withdraw from the EU. The future relationship has been left deliberately vague. On the one hand yes we could agree a very easy deal for the future relationship if our relationship stays essentially the same but then obviously you get into why leave if we're going to have to follow rules we have no influence on? Or if we diverge in the future then it will start to get complicated (remember when they said it was going to be such an easy negotiation last time and that was for the simple bit) but hey believe the liars again, it's what they expect you to do anyway.
     
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  6. lifecheshirewhite

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    It was a very simple negotiation,remain and the EU deliberately wasted 3 years, but sorted it in weeks when they were forced to.
     
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    dbc Well-Known Member

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    Yep I remember when the EU called for an extra election and then went on to ask for an extension twice....

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    milkyboy Well-Known Member

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    hell yeh... he frequents this place
     
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  9. lifecheshirewhite

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    They got their remain puppets to do that, you should know that, you're one of them ;)
     
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  10. brisbane-lion

    brisbane-lion Well-Known Member

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    But you said you were 'pulling the birds'. They must have had some thing to pull, surely.
     
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  11. blonogasoven

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    I'm not sure you got the point I was making about technology in the 70s and 80s when Dr Cochrane was proposing fibre be rolled out.
    Steve Jobs saw a computer in every home in the 1970s. That didn't happen for over 30 years. He was proven right but do you question why the government of the day didn't pursue his idea?
    The idea of rolling out fibre to every home before, at least, 1995 would have been ridiculous. Virtually no one had a computer, very very few had mobile phones and the internet was in it's infancy.
    For a Government to propose that amount of spending would have been laughed out of the Commons.
    It won't happen, even if Labour get in, because it is an empty, electioneering promise.
    Just consider it logically, every street and garden will need to be excavated, every block of flats will have to be stripped bare and they would have to run fibre to the remotest dwellings in this land.
    It is a purple unicorn of a stupid, ill thought out idea that any businessman would laugh at.
    How come Cochrane couldn't convince BT to do it? He's a technology adviser and has been for a long time according to his profile.
    Even your favourite the Guardian thinks it's out there.

    As for what Sajid Javid said when he worked for Deutsch Bank. None of them knew what was going on which is why they lost so much money. I'm guessing you're quoting him in particular because he's now a Tory but try looking up what Blair said about WMD, what Brown said about the banks..... Do I need to go on?
     
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  12. blonogasoven

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    Oh and the root cause of the financial crisis was deregulation of the financial sector driven by Bob Rubin under Clinton. Clinton put the fox in charge of the hen house.
    McDonnell, a career politician, in a debate with a man who achieved a high position in the world of finance, about finance? Please!
    I did assume you were a younger person because anyone who experienced nationalised industries would shudder thinking back at them. They cost us billions upon billions, were incredibly uneconomic and were ****. As bad as private enterprise is, it's light years ahead of Unionised Nationalised industry.
    Watch Carry On at your convenience. That summed it up. Legacy Unions killed our manufacturing industry. Unions have had to evolve and now do the job they should have been doing before.
     
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  13. brisbane-lion

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    It was about ten or twelve years ago ( and I'll stand to be corrected on that) that the Labor Government in this country decided we should have Broad Band. Optic fibre cable all over the country. Estimated cost? $42 billion, a staggering figure. Of course, there was a huge outcry from the, then, opposition who bleated bitterly about the cost. Now, so many years later and a new government, who procrastinated over what to do about a system that they had fought against but finally realised that Australia needed it but they had left it too late, what do we have? Optic Fibre to the end of the street and copper thereafter. Broad band available to much, but not nearly all, of the country and a system that is beset by faults and, in many cases, only marginally faster than the existing system. And the cost? Well, you've guessed it, a bloody sight more than the original estimate. A friend of mine used to say, "nothing will be cheaper tomorrow", and he's right. If you are going to do something, do it now, 'cause tomorrow it will cost twice as much. We are so far behind he rest of the developed world that we will never catch up.
     
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    When the government of whatever political persuasion want the whole country to have internet in their homes as well as smart meters they are up to something, beware people,
     
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    Sky Muster works for me - sometimes it's better to live in the bush!!

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    Don't be silly Harrogate isn't in the bush ;)
     
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  17. Eric Le Merde

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    And Cheshire isn't in Wales <laugh>
     
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    Philip Jansen has already said it will cost 5 times the labour figure to take over Openreach, and does that include the £6 billion dept in the BT pension fund that would come with it? If they were going to nationalise BT why only take Openreach and then run it at a massive loss but leave EE (the future) in the private sector?
     
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  19. 2020BellendToryTwat

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    Might as well be, the fat little gits have come over the border and infested the place. Now that’s immigration that SHOULD have been stopped.
     
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    <doh>So you think voting Tory will ‘get brexit done’. Oh dear.
     
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