Seriously .... stop with the booing. You make us all look like a load of plastic twats. Feel free to be disappointed, feel free to criticise but please, pretty please stop booing... especially DURING the match.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either, but if the club wants to charge vast amounts for tickets, then they'll get fans with high levels of expectation. Home fans are generally less supportive and quieter across the board. Old Trafford was virtually silent in the first half today, bar the travelling Goons and it was a big game. Away fans tend to be louder and back the team better, but then you'd expect them to, as they're more committed.
Nail on the head there, when you watch a modern day football match it is usually the away fans that are more vocal. Same at Anfield, usually filled with the 'Where's your famous atmosphere?". But on the road it is better and loader than it is at Anfield.
Its a weird one, the booing at the substitution was at AVB's decision to take JD off, and not play 2 up front. Regardless of his contribution to that point, with a foil, however patchy its worked in the past, he may have woke up, there's always a shot in him, when you need a goal there was nothing else to lose, just the match. But, my point is what do you do, sit there and support regardless in silence a ridiculous decision, not to mention paying to watch it, or do you express your displeasure, and as booing is unacceptable, how else? I think an e-mail after the game to Customer Services is a bit late! I hate to hear booing, but whats the answer.
Anger and singing don't really go together do they, not unless you want to hear "you don't know what you're doing!"
I think there's been booing at 4 home games this season, not just today. There was also chants of 'you don't know what you're doing' this afternoon. I will never support booing, but I do support this afternoon's chant, because for the 3rd game in 6 days, this guy has made a daft substitution.
AVB showed his limitations today, and I am really concerned that he simply does not have what it takes to bring us the glory that we are all so desperate for. Yes, yes, yes, I know it's still early days - and I'm not yet saying that we should get rid of him - but, come on! If we cannot beat Wigan at home, how the hell should we have any expectations that we can finish in the top 5? And it's not just that we lost today, it's that we played so dreadfully. That was about as lacklustre as I have seen us play in a long time. Sorry, but it simply isn't good enough.
Just back from the game (well... Stopped off for a few drinks to down the sorrows first). Me personally, I don't boo. I can't be ars*d to sound similar to a cow, I usually just punch down on the chair infront of me when I'm not satisfied (or disgusted in this case) with the teams performance. However, I don't feel the fans that boo should be judged by others in a negative light. They've paid, like myself, a hell of a lot of money to be there and when we turn in performances like that people are more than entitled to vent their frustration, if their choice is booing then so be it. The players are paid thousands, they can't expect life to always be rosy when things go wrong - especially when it's their fault. When they play like they did today they don't deserve their wage, so a bit of booing has to be expected. If they don't want to hear the booing then quite simply they should get their ars*s into gear and play how we know they can play.
This. The amount of times I and many others I'm sure think "I've paid X to watch this ****". You charge fans extortionate prices like London clubs do and they'll expect more. I'm against the booing and scapegoating of individual players but I think as a paying customer fans have the right to boo if justified. I don't think after just a 2nd home defeat of the season it was. Your still 5th, level with 4th. Most rational Spurs fans would have taken that in August after the games you've had (Yes, I know the fans wouldn't have known other results at the time)
Fans pay so have a right to boo or cheer. That said, if you're that unhappy then just sell your ticket to someone else.
This is exactly how I felt under AVB. Many fans compared our bad form from last season with Ancelotti but the difference is under Ancelotti when we went on a bad run we weren't playing badly bar Sunderland at home (i.e Birmingham beating us 1-0 with their only shot of any kind in the match whilst we had 20+ hitting woodwork 3 times). The time to worry is never when you lose and play well/create chances, it's when you lose and don't do either. Something which for us was very common under AVB. The Fulham home game last season was the worst I've seen in many a year at SB and we could have actually lost, and that would have been a humiliation considering the same opposition haven't won at the Bridge since the early 70s. Arsenal for instance should be worried that they have played Norwich, Schalke, QPR and United on the spin and created no more than 3/4 clear cut chances (at best) in all of those games combined. The worry for Spurs now is they have 2 of the most difficult fixtures in the calender at the moment on the back of what has been described as a woeful performance. If Spurs play like that at City and Arsenal (which I'm 100% sure they won't) it could be a hiding to nothing. The Maribor game is quite important now as some momentum is needed. For us I think it was more fatigue than anything, we were never going to be firing on all cylinders with our schedule and one eye on Shaktar
The thing is, we always seem to lift ourselves for the big games. Even against you, the 2-4 score-line was flattering, and didn't reflect the way we played or the chances that we created. It's our woeful performances against teams that we should be beating, especially at home, that really gets to me. We've been like this for several seasons, even under Messiah Harry.
Completely understand and agree with you here. The part about Ancelotti is similar for me during our bad spell under Harry at the tail end of last season. A lot of the games we lost/ dropped points in I didn't think we were playing too badly. Norwich at home and the second half collapse at the Emirates aside, we still put in decent performances if my memory severs correct... I remember especially the 3-1 loss to Utd at home, I've never seen Spurs dominate the play so much and yet somehow come out with a result that'd look like we were outplayed, to play like that against Utd was encouraging, even though we lost you could tell that a performance like that against most others would've resulted in at least a point. Under AVB we haven't had this... When we've lost, we've played really bad, there's been no signs what so ever to suggest that with a bit more luck or a slight tweak with tactics/ formations we'd be fine. I know we have injuries and lost key players in the summer but we still have a decent team on paper and there's no excuses for playing like we did today.
I'm tired of the over reaction to be honest. He's been our manager for 10 league matches, 2 league cup, and 3 europa league games... we lost modric, sold VDV, kranjar, corluka, Bassong (none of which were his choice bar possibly VDV) ... has not had parker, Kaboul, BAE or Adebayor all season yet we are 5th. Yes, today and wednesdays cup match were poor defeats. I am not an AVB fan but surely it is too early to boo and surely booing when 5th is farcical when we've only ONCE finished higher than this in the past 25 years. I wanted Moyes as our manager and the more I see of Everton the more convinced I am that we should have tried for him but it didn't happen so I just think we should get behind the team. I know people pay a lot for tickets (I can rarely afford to go nowadays) but I can't help thinking that people are so impatient today (not just in football) and it is not a good thing. I'm just glad that it weren't like this when Keith Burkinshaw became our manager...he'd never have got the chance to produce that great spurs team of the early 80's
There is always going to be over-reaction from some quarters - "fan" is short for "fanatic," and the very nature of fanaticism encompasses within it the idea of over-reaction. However, I suspect that most of us are doing little more than expressing our frustration that AVB so clearly lacked the tactical skill to not only create anything for most of that game, but didn't seem to know how to contain Wigan. They had 52% of the possession ffs! I really don't believe that I am over-reacting when I say that that simply is not good enough, and is not the standard that we should expect from our manager. Or do you think we should all simply pat AVB on the back and say, "Never mind, old son! Better luck next time, eh?" after watching that shower of 5hite?
I only meant that booing 15 games into a managers reign is an over reaction....everyone has the right to criticise etc I just think booing now is an over reaction...wasn't commenting on anything written here
Ah, I see. My apologies for over-reacting! I don't boo at matches, no matter how badly we play, but I'm not so concerned by those who do. Again, I see it as little more than some fans expressing their frustrations. Going to the trouble of making up "Get Him Out Now!" banners, as the Mousers did with Roy "the Gent" Hodgson after only a handful of games in charge (even though he did a far, far better job than either "King" Kenny or Roy Rodgers), now that would be taking it too far!
