Blame Johnny Foreigner

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ver-wants-transfer-policy-review-at-newcastle

I agree with Carver somewhat in he says. However, is there any need to discuss this in pre match interviews or any interview whatsoever? The bloke really is stupid. If you were Sissoko, Janmaat etc, would you be busting a gut for the bloke given he is basically questioning your heart for the cause.

Don't get me wrong, he is right, our transfer policy is warped and we obviously should have a greater content from these isles who know what the league is about. It undoubtedly does impact on games like the derby and full blooded games in general.

I just can't see any value in putting it out there, what does it achieve?

 

Carver is just plain stupid.

He's right about foreign players [not all of course, but a lot], they simply don't have any backbone. They are here for the money and don't give a damn about the club or fans that they play for.

 

If he can't get the players interested in playing the game, it's not the nationalities that are at fault, it's the training.

It makes no difference where the player comes from in my eyes. British players from the championship often don't step up and by the same token many players from the continent do. Look at Kompany, Giroud etc. It's a matter of giving these players decent coaches and a good environment to play in.

Let's face it if the environment or manager at your place of work is crap, how much more difficult is it to up your productivity etc?

Good players will adapt with good training. Bad players will improve with good training. Bad training and a bad working environment will lead to stagnation and disillusionment of the player.

Also I think Carver is 100% wrong that the players should be more up for a derby than for any other game. The fans should be, sure, but players should approach each game wit the same professional mindset no matter the opposition.

 

Players should be up for every game they play. They are supposed to be professionals.

 

I would suggest that English players are the same. Look at Sterling at Liverpool, if he was playing for the fans / club then he would have signed his contract extension. Foreign players do not have a monopoly on greed I'm afraid

 

True they don't. It's the modern footballer in general. Slimy bastards the lot of them.

 

That's ok if you are shopping from the top table (Kompany, Giroud). You know the top players are coming with top class attitudes and will to win. Its the other bracket which is the market we operate in. The B, C and D internationals. Being honest there is only Janmaat you could say is truly a first choice player for a top international nation. Personally I don't think its massively about nationality. I just agree with Carver it is much harder to know what the character of a foreign player is.

I don't think our squad of players are very good. Therefore if we are going to buy second rate, I'd rather at least know what you are getting character wise. We had it with the likes of Barton, Nolan, Carroll, Raylor, Saylor, Simpson, Best. A good solid core who you knew when the chips were down, they weren't going to wilt. The Janmaats, Debuchy, Ba and Cabayes have been the odd ones out rather than the rule.

In an ideal world we'd be doing what Robson did, have two or three senior pros who were from the home nations. Sprinkle a bit of top end youngsters produced and bought, and then add a few classy foreign elements. The club has never functioned better in my opinion. However its just not realistic under this regime.

The clubs who operate below that top 5 or 6 traditionally have a good solid home core. The football here is hard in terms of physicality. They all comment on it when they come over.

Most top clubs still have home element too - even Arsenal have Chambers, Ramsay, Gibbs, Wilshere, Walcott, Ox, Welbeck. Chelsea are probably furthest away but they do have that central pairing of Terry/Cahill.

Two things though, I agree wholeheartedly about the environment, that also needs to improve massively. Again the old saying applies, pay peanuts...
The other thing is regardless of any truth in what he says, the forum he has chosen is just simply moronic. It whiffs a bit to me of pandering to the idiots becaus ehe is floundering. ("Aye its those french ****s thats the problem")

 

Surely a decent scouting network (which we apparently have) should be able to detect a bit of character no matter what league they are playing in? Yes I know that The European leagues are generally slower than the PL, but you can still see players biting into tackles and chasing down lost causes added to that, surely Charnley etc sat down with the players which should give another indication of their mindset. It should not be difficult to find foreign players with the desire needed to succeed in the PL.
I would add Colo, Tiote, Jonas & Enrique into your list all had / have this combative spirit and desire to do better and win every game and a lot of those combined to provide that solid core that we need not too long ago.

Like many (if not all), Robson's days were the best days I've seen as a Newcastle supporter (I was around for Keegan but hold Bobby's days more fondly in the memory). However I strongly believe that with the right players he could have made any team a contender no matter the nationalities.

 

He's also said that he's told the players to not bother travelling to Liverpool if they can't be arsed.
It would be hilarious if, like the 'offering out of the away end' it backfired and he ended up with no one on the bus.
I would literally self combust with laughter.

 

They'll probably all get the U21's to go instead.



Actually this could just work.....

 

Totally agree.

For gutless performers Sammy takes some beating, even though he is not only British but "local" as well.

 

A stottie cake's local, you wouldn't play it on the left wing. Well, you would ahead of Gouffran, but that's beside the point.

It's a bit like the book "Freakonomics" where looking deeper and deeper leads to strange reasons why certain things happen. In our case, the worst thing that could possibly have happened was finishing 5th. From raising expectancies to validating, in Mike's head, the "model" he put in place, it has utterly hamstrung us. The club just looked at black and white (scuse the pun) of figures and stats, it didn't take into account the bad seasons had by Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and others. Subsequently the powers that be felt it could always over-achieve on a shoestring budget with players coming in, trying their 'best' to put themselves up for sale, then we'd coin it in and buy another batch of hungry megastars.

Just didn't quite turn out that way....!!

 

Bobby would never have entertained the idea of a team full of different nationalities. He knew the balance had to be struck. He made it plain from the off he wanted a British core. He wasn't against foreign talent at all, he loved the likes of Solano, Robert. I'm sure I read somewhere that at one stage out of a squad of 31, he had something like 27 home bred players.

Foreign players can have the combative spirit. The ones you mention are good examples, but they were led by the likes of Barton, Smith, Nolan, Harper etc after we went down. That is what I mean about balance. If you have a team full of foreign players who don't know the league, it is difficult. However use the foreign route to bring that extra bit of quality then its really handy.

I see no problem with them moving on people like Barton, Nolan, Simpson, if the idea is to upgrade. As long as somewhere within that set up, you retain what has served you well. The balance between home and foreign players, the balance between the ugly and beautiful side of the game.

I have to say I think our scouting is vastly overrated. Is it their fault though or is it a directive telling them to find cheap players who we gamble on to sell at a price? If they had a directive to build teams and squads to progress then that is different.

I just don't think the likes of Jose, Bobby, Guardiola, Klopp and SAF can be wrong when they stress the importance of home grown players. There has to be something in it. I then look at Arsenal with their power and how they have struggled since they lost that core of Adams, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Campbell, Parlour, Cole, Keown. They regularly field teams full of talented players but lacked that bit of grit. It wasn't like they didn't have good players or tenacious players. The last few years they have had home bred players (some foreign born but brought up on a diet of the English game) and they have started to look a little more likely and even won a trophy.

You get home bred players who are heartless too. They need weeded out. Sammy etc.

 

So Carver has said that any players who cannot be bothered don't need to travel to Anfield.
Just imagine that ...... The squad boycotts Liverpool and the fans boycott Spurs.

It seems too bizarre to be imaginable, but this is NUFC after all lol

 

Can you really blame Carver?
He's your Mike Bassett type of Manager who says what he thinks, before realising his foot is firmly stuck in his own gob.

Take one step back and forget about who said it, but look at the content, and its not far from the truth is it.
Many fans would agree with much, if not all of it.

 

Carver is a fat, stupid **** and his opinion is worthless.

 

First time in about 5 years I have felt that we don't have the basis of a good squad "just lacking investment".... At present, basically every single player, bar Perez and Sissoko, need replacing. Aarons is a crock, Krul has gone backwards, Janmaat can't defend and everyone else isn't even worth commenting on.

Ashley really really genuinely could have made a mutually profitable success out of Newcastle, that's the thing that will haunt us for years.

 

You're just a mean Mackem! Leave our team alone!

 

I disagree with you in some respects mate. Perez is a keeper definitely (not an actual keeper obviously), Sissoko is a strange one for me. He goes missing in games far too much, he's far too petulant and in my opinion is not captain material in any way shape or form. Under the right manager I'm sure he could be in the mould of Yaya Toure but I see nothing other than someone who will turn up when he can be arsed. Don't get me wrong when he does he is unplayable which makes me questions his professionalism cos if he can put in a performance then he should be doing it week in week out regardless of the dross that is surrounding him (playing and backroom staff included).

Aarons HAS BEEN a crock for us this season, but so has Siem De Jong. If these two can get fit and stay fit next season (assuming they aren't moved on) then I reckon they could be massive players for us. Krul I agree has gone backwards, but it's not surprising given the shower of ****e he sees in front of him. Janmaat I think is probably one of our best defenders (and only one in his natural position), and if I'm honest I would not be at all nervous about him playing alongside Colo next game with Willo being dropped...as long as his forays forward can be reigned in a bit.

I think we've reached a massive transition phase now which will determine where this club heads in the next 5 years. If we stick with Carver then we are ****ed...plain and simple...regardless of what players he may or may not bring in during the summer, he just isn't up to the job.

IF (and that is a mighty big IF) we can bring in a new manager (McLaren perhaps) and bring in some new faces in the summer, clear out some of the deadwood and keep players fit then we may be in with a shout of having something to shout about. Players like Aarons and De Jong should be given next season to prove their worth fitness wise etc.

From our current squad the only players worth keeping for a starting 11 as far as I'm concerned are as follows:-

Krul
Janmaat
Colo
Abeid
Aarons
De Jong
Perez

I would be happy to keep the following on the proviso that they can prove their fitness and worth in the hope that they may come good under a new manager

Sissoko
Cabella
Cisse

Everyone else can **** off !

 

I would try sign someone like Shelvey. Not world class but puts a shift in midfield. I would then try get caulker from qpr and trippier from burnley. A good solid wingback. I know he plays where janmaat does but it's good to have competition. I'd then be looking to sign someone like Austin for up front. 4 players have a little bit of quality but work hard for the team.