If you read through this forum this week the most used work was underwhelmed and its a pretty succinct word to sum up Neil Adam's appointment. However people seem to have started inventing strange accusations to level at him despot him only breify having held the position, such as: - The classic "He's gonna play all the kids because he likes them regardless of how good they are", frankly this can only be wrong if anything he know's the limitation of the youth team more than all but about 3 other people in the club and so will only be using the kids appropriately. People, myself included, thought we'd see far more of the Josh Murphy when Adams was installed as manager but he was used very sparingly instead using the far more experienced Redmond and actually playing Snodgrass through and injury instead. He's not an idiot, in fact i get the impression that he's a pretty smart man, and will no doubt use the players who are most appropriate. - The "He won't attract good players" argument, but the chance of playing for the world reckoned former ballon D'Or winner Malky MacKay would have been? Yes he's a Norwich legend and a very nice man (but we hate that right?) but he's not going to be a huge draw for players, the fact that we have a good squad and a perceived good change in the league and a bit of money will be our biggest draw. Plus when you here adams speak about what he wants to do with the club you can imagine him being pretty persuasive. - The "All out players will now leave and we'll have no one but a few 17 year olds and Mark Bunn" Argument. Adams is a known quantity, the players know him, they know what he expects of them, there did seem to be a rise in the energy levels on the pitch when he first started in the job and he ran, from what I've heard, some very popular training sessions. Any other manager would be an unknown he wouldn't really start interacting with the players properly until July and not properly in anger until August, i would imagine that in this situation the players would be more keen to leave because if the change is gonna be bad the might as well see if they can get a bit more money. There are others but these are the ones which come up a lot and I'm not really saying that I'm right on any of the points only that there is also a strong counter argument to these points and that we really need to stop inventing points about the effect of Adams appointment and using them to criticise it, let him get to at least playing the first game of the season before we label his appointment a disaster. There are valid arguments about why this is a risk, his inexperience being the major one and this could go two ways but now we have to let it play out. The other point I wanted to raise is this concept of the "Norwich way" the board have used it a lot recently and I get the impression that it's a euphemism for not playing like Hughton and going out and attacking. Adams has describe the football that he wants to play and we probably have to take that as the vision of "Norwich way" football, hopefully it looks like this: [video=youtube;hadltmDBHQc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadltmDBHQc[/video]
My point is that whist they might it's not a fact that they will but they're already points that are being used to criticise him despite not having happened yet.
I don't see anything wrong with that. If you didn't think about the possible repercussions or ensuing scenarios then you have no opinion at all.
I don't think he's saying that at all, he's supporting an argument as to why it will not be the case. Opinion and expectation are not confusing, they just are tightly bound together.
I have been watching Norwich since the 70s and to be frank cringe at the" Norwich way". What that means in my opinion is wining very little, despite playing some decent football. Let's be honest we have not won much apart from a couple of league cups and the odd championship. I want to see us win the FA Cup and do what Bowkett wants but it won't happen playing the Norwich way. Lambert was the most inspiring manger we have had playing the way I want to see. Players going out thinking that can win against anyone. We celebrate Mike Walkers era but what did he win, nothing ! We celebrate beating Bayern Munich but whilst that was a great result, we won nothing. The Binners can celebrate FA Cup success and also European success. We cannot say that I'm afraid. As for the FA youth cup, that really was based on hitting long cross field ball to the Murphy twins. Is that what we really want to see this season.
Exactly, we had built a side to win. Chelsea had built a side to develop players. I don't buy into this whole talented coach and tactician that the board seem to keep bringing up. I have no idea how they could possibly know.
Re-watching the clip at the top of the page, what was nice to see is that the players weren't afraid to commit numbers to an attack. There was a couple of moves that culminated with 4 or 5 players in the oppositions penalty area. Under Hughton all we ever had was an isolated striker, perhaps a winger and occasionally a central midfielder, 2 or 3 max. If Adams can build a side that can attack confidently, rather than worrying about leaving holes defensively, then at least the football might be more entertaining. Where I disagree with the board is the talk of "possession based football". Adams built his cup-winning side on quick counter-attacks, with a striker who gave opposition defences a tough time. We didn't keep the ball well in that cup run and build sustained pressure, the ball was got forwards as fast as possible. He never built a side that could break down two defensive banks of 4. In the championship we're (hopefully) going to be going into more than half of our games as favourites, where the onus is on us to attack with the ball. We're going to be coming up against dogged defensive displays, and being able to work the ball to break that down is something we've not seen an Adams side do as of yet. That'll be the first big test he'll face on the pitch for me.
No, I have no idea at all how people who have been working alongside him at the football club for the past 3/4 seasons would have any idea at all about his qualities. Better to ask a bloke who drives a fork-lift for a living, he's the man with all the answers. Excellent lost by the way Bath, seems to make perfect sense to me, but the. I guess it would as I'm not intent in being a contrary sod at any opportunity
as is often the case on here, wild exaggerations are made in either the most negative or positive way when reality is likely to be somewhere in the middle. is neil adams going to play the entire youth cup winning team in the first team? no, of course not. is he likely to throw a few more in than we would have seen under, for example, mackay? almost certainly. is malky mackay a ballon d'or winner and therefore have the gravitas to attract good players? no, of course not, but he still holds far more gravitas than a youth team manager with five games first team experience who won't have the same kind of contacts or knowledge of the market at the moment. will everyone leave? no, of course not. but i think making an internal appointment means anyone deemed to have failed last season, despite being a good player, is more likely to be shown the door than had an outsider with a fresh broom come in. he was only in his position for five games but his tenure is still tarnished by failure. the reality is that many of us are very disappointed by what looks like a serious timing error by the board. neil adams may turn out to be just like our last fa youth cup winning manager, dave stringer, and be an absolute peach of a manager - i certainly hope he is - but when you've got one of the best squads in the league and have some serious finance behind you, to take a chance on a totally unproven manager at a time when quite clearly its our best shot of returning to the premier league is nothing short of a considerable gamble, one which i personally didn't see worth taking. massive gambles sometimes come off and the rewards are great, but more often than not they fail in spectacular fashion. let's hope we do not fall into the latter category or the repercussions of this decision could haunt the club for a decade.
One of my main points last season while the Hughton debate raged was that whoever replaced him would need to be a unifying manager that we can all get behind. It is fairly clear that Adams is not that figure and so it becomes imperative that we start the season well, otherwise the glass half empty brigade will start to overwhelm this board and we don't need that again. I hope that the decisions he makes in the interim - who to sell, who to keep and any additional purchases start to give us the confidence that we all desperately need. The FA Youth Cup win was wonderful but in terms of all of the trophies available it was small beer. We need to set our aspirations a little higher now. As an aside, I thought we had won the Youth Cup in earlier years, I will check.
Yeah we did, under Stringer as Supers says - apologies for the factual error, it was an honest mistake
Two excellent and common sense posts IMO and I feel that even before pre-season has started, there is a MASSIVE divide among the fans, which unless we get off to a brilliant start to the new season will only become wider as the season progresses and leave this board as divided as it was for most of last season, if not more so. I feel that both 'camps' need to find the 'middle ground' for the next few weeks at least, until we see what the squad looks like and how we fare in the pre-season friendlies. My MAIN hope is that we score more goals than we did in either of CH's pre-season tours and so give hope for the start of the new season.
i honestly think if we lose our opening game of the season he will come under intense pressure and if we haven't won at least two of the opening five games i think we might see a change. its disappointing that it could happen that soon but i really think it's possible if we don't start well, such is the overall feeling of supporters at the moment and how important it is to get promoted. i think the board, given how many press releases they are putting out at the moment, know they have put him under unbelievable pressure already. what a mess. it could have all been avoided so easily.
That would be a complete u-turn from last season, when they very clearly continued to back Hughton until it was so late that even Harry Houdini would have struggled to keep us up. What makes you think they'll revert to the more common "kneejerk" reaction with Adams. After scouring Europe (except France?) and the U.K. and even the planet Zog he was clearly head and shoulders the right man for the role. I heard Bowkett say so.
This After listening to the 'Canary Call' special last Monday, I was hopeful and optimistic. Now whilst not quite being in 'the glass half empty' brigade - I'm approaching it!!!!
It is exactly how they acted with Bryan Gunn. I almost wonder whether they are trying to achieve the same result - appoint a club favourite slightly surprisingly, wait for him to crash and burn in the first few matches, appoint the sort of hungry manager we wanted and watch us sail to the title! The good thing about the Championship is that you can afford to lose a couple of matches. The same can't be said about the Prem.
gut feeling. nothing more than that. i think the fans will give absolutely no leeway this time. i think a lot of fans were relatively patient with hughton. they won't be this time. start badly and it'll all be over for adams very quickly.
