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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    I think he believing his own hype..

    If I were Eddie I’d consider using him sparingly or even selling him.

    in our new system we need consistency and Max doesn’t look like he can be arsed half the time.
     
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  2. ToonArmy1892

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    He's the best winger at the club.

    If people want rid of him it means we need to get rid of every winger at the club and bring 4 new ones in, not happening.
     
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  3. Hung Drawn and Quartered

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    One minute I love him the next minute I hate him

    He just drives you mad
     
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  4. ToonArmy1892

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    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now that he is adapting more to becoming a team player hence the dip in form.

    Hopefully he is back at his best next season, if not, then it's time for a serious discussion about him.
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

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    hes great… on his day.
    But he has less and less ‘days’.
    So much of our play can break down as soon as he gets the ball at his feet.
    We eventually do need 4 more wingers.
     
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  6. Toonitus

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    There's about 20 players I'd replace before max, but I don't think whatever Howe's trying to do with him is working.

    Bruce got better out of him, but that was at the expense of every other player and the club.

    Until we've got 3 better attacking mids he's not even close to chasing out, but the fans will chase him out anyway.
     
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  7. Hung Drawn and Quartered

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    The first 10seconds he has the ball he's brilliant any longer than that you know what is going to happen
     
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  8. Toonitus

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    I genuinely believe Lascelles is the biggest problem nufc have when he's on the pitch it's always the same.

    I like him as a person but he's absolutely abysmal
     
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  9. Prince Isak (GG)

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    I can’t remember his last good game?
     
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  10. Prince Isak (GG)

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    Lose the ball. On the ground: crying like a bitch. Then not tracking back.

    Alas our team is then under pressure.

    See what happens in a counter attack is when we counter and he has the ball our other players bust a gut to get forward. Then when he inevitably loses it we have 3-4 players out of position and him on the floor being a bitch.
     
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  11. Prince Isak (GG)

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    He’s literally been useless for months mate. He looks sexy on the ball till he loses it (9/10 times) and then we are under pressure as a result.
     
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  12. Prince Isak (GG)

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    He’s not a team player. Need I quote his recent interview. It’s all about him.

    Always had been. It’s why he’s been **** since Howe came in. We have improved and it’s exposed him. Because he was an average player in a terrible side.
     
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  13. Rum & Black for 2

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    Some fans have extremely short memories.
     
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    So what your saying is he's exactly the same as Ben Arfa, and Robert before him and Ginola before him?????
     
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  15. Toonitus

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    Man united home maybe I don't think whatever Howe's trying to do with him works. I get the feeling max is just what he is and he'll never be different.

    He seems very confused on the pitch.

    I find him annoying, but quite why nufc fans are determined tu chase out one of their capable players before they've replaced the ones that are never good enough moronic.

    I remember not long ago telling people just because we've signed new players doesn't mean they're better than the ones we've sold.
    Nufc got relegated that year.

    Just calm down and let the club get on with it.... Player osmosis needs to be done wisely not just because fans get personal.

    Max is a confidence player that plays well when he's loved. Now he knows people are after him.. Humming and haring every time he doesn't light it up.

    It won't be long before fans turn on the owners again like they did on Feb 1st... It's just what fans do these days.
     
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  16. Albert's Chip Shop

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    The first two yes.

    We get a boner watching Him play a good game… then mass amnesia sets in and we forget the next 6/7 poor performances. Rinse as reports… same as with HBA and Robert.

    ginola played really well as part of the team.. stuck to his pidgin a lot and contributed more to the team. This is why he eventually won player of the year at Spurs.
     
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  17. Prince Isak (GG)

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    Don’t think fans want him forced out. Just want him to start performing on the pitch instead of in interviews where he claims he is better than what he is.

    The reality is he is a technically gifted player but isn’t a very good tactical player.

    In some respects people are ignoring the bad things he does because the good things he does is sexy.
     
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  18. Prince Isak (GG)

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    Ben Arfa was a wasted talent. And yes you could compare him in some ways.

    Robert was in a very good side and still looked good. Put him in our current side and he would look world class.

    Ginola. On a completely different level and you can’t compare.

    The fact is that if you take out ASM dribbles that nion always end in losing possession he does nothing more.
     
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  19. Toonitus

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    We've got worse is the point and there's no point looking beyond that right now imo
     
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  20. Roland Deschain

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    It comes down once again to that term "football intelligence". Bruno isn't on the same level in terms of dribbling - but how comes Bruno constantly wins niggly free kicks in decent areas, whereas ASM doesn't and ends up on the floor, flapping his arms as the opposition counter? Bruno can draw a foul from one player on him, ASM has three around him and just loses the ball. Almost every time.

    Then it's the decision making - he bombs forward and can frequently get past the first player. Instead of then making a good decision - a whipped cross, a shot, a forward pass - he has a brainfart and either tries to take on everyone, or simply turns around and inevitably passes to the wrong player 20 yards further back. Howe has clearly been working on possession retention. But we're in a funny middle period now where ASM is going past someone, then remembers what Eddie told him, so he turns around and sprints 20 yards the other way to try and pass to someone on his team. It tells me that he lacks football intelligence, quite severely in fact. Look at the running yesterday from the likes of Sterling or Grealish, they're miles ahead and both can do the odd dribble.

    Bottom line is he's a talented lad but the comparison to HBA is definitely on the money. Selfishness, bad decisions, relying so much on confidence or "love". The difference to Ginola or Robert is that they would know when to ping in a cross, or calm down the play, draw the fouls, etc. Basically, both HBA and ASM play at 100 mph and as a result thought doesn't go into it, it's just making it up on the spot and so much tends to go wrong. He's not thinking "beat a man, then whip it into the box" or "get control and draw the foul". I don't think you can actually coach this, either. If you try and coach it, tends to create confusion.
     
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