Well it’s been a long time (old 606) since I’ve done this, so thought I would resurrect the old “tradition” of my “Ask PN” thread. So, fire away! Anything you want to know from a bloodstock perspective or if there’s a horse you remember from years ago and want to know where he/she is now or what happened to them, etc. If I don’t know the answer myself I’m sure I can dig through the resources here at my office to find out for you. No question is too daft – you never know, someone else might be thinking the same thing but be too afraid to ask! Index to all other Ask PN threads
Hi Princess Is there any news on Sea the Stars and any progeny, and with what mares, etc. Also what Stallions / Mares have you found to have been the most successful for this year amongst 2 y/os, 3 y/os. Cheers
what happens if I have a non runner in a L15? PN, this could be a very informative thread. I actually was wondering about how successful breeze-up purchases are and I wondered if you had any statistics on two year old winners this season that have been purchased from breeze up sales and also if you had any news on the Medaglia D'Oro which topped the sales?
One my earliest memories of UK racing revolves around Crisp. I've heard others say that he did ok over there. Im aware of his heartbreaking second to Red Rum, but can you please shed some light on his other races in Europe?
Ooo, quite a few to start with! tidalbay - Re. Sea the Stars. The details of his produce won’t be published until the Return of Mares comes out in November. I intend on putting up a list of his foals as well as this year’s coverings when that comes out. In the meantime I put a thread up a few days ago with a few names of his foals that have been published: Colt out of MAGICAL ROMANCE (G1 winner) – TALL SHIP Colt out of LOVE DIVINE (G1 winner) – TOUCH THE SKY Filly out of ALBANOVA (G1 winner) – ALL AT SEA Colt out of CENTREOFATTENTION – CENTRE STAR I put a list of the mares covered by STS up on the old 606, I think I still have it at home so will dig it out and put it back up here. Stats for sires of particular crops are hard to come by. I know some publications do produce them so I’ll have a root around and see what I can find. Nass – re the Medaglia D’Oro sale topper, I presume you mean the colt bought by John Ferguson at Fasig-Tipton for 500,000? He’s been named WHITE CITY and is in training with Al Zarooni. He does not have any entries at present. Stats for the Breeze Ups can be hard to come by. I will have a look around and see what is out there. Cyc, I’ll have a dig through the books and see what comes up on CRISP.
PN, I was talking about the one that went through the Kempton Breeze ups, think it went for around 120 grand.
I was just wondering Princess, so if it turns into a nightmare, then please feel free to pull the plug.
Hi princess, do you know what happened or whats happening with the horse Dancourt, can't find any info anywhere, it got sold to godolphin and use to be with SMS, it then had one run at dubai and was given a awful ride by A Murgia, then hadn't seen it in ages so sent godolphin a email and they said it was not with them anymore but racingpost still have it as with them? Be glad if you could find some info out about it for me, and whats happening iwth it, thanks l cooper
Just at home on my lunchbreak so will look at the Kempton horse when I get back Nass. Same goes for DANCOURT. tidalbay, here is the list of mares covered by Sea the Stars last year: 1. AFFIANCED (IRE) – J S Bolger – Listed winner, G3 placed dam of Irish Derby winner Soldier of Fortune and G3 winner Heliostatic 2. ALAYA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – winning half-sister to Alamshar, dam of G3 winner Alayan 3. ALBANOVA (GB) – Miss K Rausing – triple G1 winner, half-sister to Alborada 4. ALIZAYA (IRE) – Sunderland Holdings – unraced half-sister to dual G1 winner Alandi 5. ALLELUIA (GB) – Airlie Stud & Miss K Rausing – G3 winner, dam of G1 winner Allegretto 6. ALPINE ROSE (FR) – no owner given – G1 winner 7. ALWAYS AWESOME (USA) – CF Farms – US mare, dam of stakes winner Bear Always 8. ANGE BLEU (USA) – Bjorn Nielsen – Maiden, dam of US G1 winner Angara 9. ANNA AMALIA (IRE) – Plantation Stud – Dam of US G1 winner Ave & G3 placed Dubawi Phantom 10. APPROACH (GB) – Denford Stud – G2 placed, Listed winner, dam of G1 placed Midas Touch 11. AQUARELLE BLEUE (GB) – Sunderland Holdings – maiden, daughter of triple G1 winner Aquarelliste 12. ARGENTINA (IRE) – Darley – Listed winner, placed in 5 G1s in France and USA 13. ASMARA (USA) – HH Aga Khan – Listed winner, dam of G1 winner Azamour 14. BEHKARA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – G2 winner, G1 placed, dam of G1 winner Behkabad 15. BELLE ET CELEBRE (FR) – Aliette & Giles Forien – G1 winner in France 16. BITOOH (GB) – Sunderland Holdings – maiden, immediate family of Alexandrova, Magical Romance, Puce, Pongee and Shouk 17. BLAS CEOIL (USA) – J S Bolger – winner, half sister to decent Japanese horses 18. BORDIGHERA (USA) – Lael Stables – dam of George Washington & Grandera 19. BORGIA (GER) – Gestut Ammerland – dual G1 winner 20. BOURBONELLA (GB) – Graham Farm Partnership – unraced half-sister to Persian Punch, dam of G1 winner Aqlaam 21. BUFFALO BERRY (IRE) – Sir E J Loder – Listed winner, dam of US G1 placed, G3 winner Chattahoochee War 22. CAP COZ (IRE) – Mrs C Regalado-Gonzalez – Listed winner, G3 placed, dam of G2 winner Indian Days 23. CASUAL LOOK (USA) - no owner given – G1 Oaks winner, dam of winners 24. CAUMSHINAUN (IRE) – Mrs C L Weld – Listed winner, dam of G1 winner Nightime 25. CENTREOFATTENTION (AUS) – Mrs C Regalado-Gonzalez – ran in Oz, but I can’t find any info on her! 26. CLAXON (GB) – Hesmonds Stud Ltd – G2 winner, half-sister to Dust Dancer (grand-dam of Tyranny), dam of G1 placed Cassydora 27. COYOTE (GB) – Sir Eric Parker – winner, daughter of Nassau Stakes winner, dam of G3 winner, G1 placed Oh Goodness Me 28. CUIS GHAIRE (IRE) - no owner given – G3 winner, G1 placed 29. DANASKAYA (IRE) – Ballylinch Stud - G1 placed, dam of winners 30. DANELETA (IRE) – Airlie Stud & N Clay – Winner, G3 placed, dam of G1 winner Intense Focus 31. DARIENA (FR) – Etreham/Janus/Vision – winner, half-sister to G1 winner Darjina 32. DARINSKA (FR) – Princess Zahra Aga Khan – winner, G3 placed, dam of 3 time G1 winner Darjina 33. DASHING (IRE) – Saleh Al Homeizi – unraced half-sister to G3 winner Medecis and G1 winner Alexander Goldrun 34. DASH TO THE TOP (GB) – Meon Valley Stud – Listed winner, G1 placed, dam of G3 placed Dynasty 35. DOLORES (GB) – Normandie Stud – Listed winner, G2 placed, dam of G2 winner Duncan 36. DRAMA CLASS (IRE) – Ballymacoll Stud – winner, Listed placed, half sister to G2 winner Stage Gift, dam of G1 placed Scottish Stage 37. DRIFA (ITY) – Allevamento La Nuova Sbarra – can’t find her race record, dam of Italian G1 winner De Sica 38. ECOUTILA (USA) – Ecoutilla Partnership – unraced, half-sister to G3 winner Pas de Reponse and G1 winner Green Tune, dam of Listed winner Enticement 39. EPPING (GB) – Sunderland Holdings –winner, half-sister to Self Defense, dam of G1 placed The Last Drop 40. EVA’S REQUEST (IRE) – Lady Bamford – G1 winner in Italy 41. EXCITING TIMES (FR) – Breeding Capital, Watership Down, Farish – dam of G1 winner Gorella 42. EXHIBIT ONE (USA) – Edy SRL & Societa Agricola Gem SRL – G3 winner 43. EZIMA (IRE) – Shadwell – Listed winner, G2 placed 44. FAIRY OF THE NIGHT (IRE) – Sunderland Holdings – Listed winner, half sister to G3 winner Dress Rehersal dam of 1 foal to race, a winner 45. FARFALA (FR) – Arbib Bloodstock Partnership – Listed winner, half-sister to G1 winner Fragrant Mix, dam of Listed winner, G2 placed Under the Rainbow 46. FINSCEAL BEO (IRE) – Michael Ryan – three time G1 winner 47. FOOLISH ACT (IRE) – Ben Sangster – unraced half-sister Crystal Crossing (dam of G1 winner Rule of Law) and G3 winner Circle of Gold 48. GERMANCE (USA) – Janus Bloodstock – G1 winner 49. GIROUETTE (IRE) - no owner given – G3 winner 50. GLINTING DESERT (IRE) – Lodge Park Stud – winner, out of a half-sister to New Approach, dam of G1 winner Alfred Nobel 51. HATHRAH (IRE) – Shadwell – Listed winner, half sister to G2 winner Ivan Luis, 52. HEAD IN THE CLOUDS (IRE) – Abergwaun Farm – G3 winner, half-sister to G1 winner Millenary 53. HILL OF SNOW (GB) – Abergwaun Farm – winner, dam of G1 placed Snowfire 54. HUMILIS (IRE) – Castleton Lyons & Kilboy Estate – Listed winner 55. ICE MINT (USA) – Knighton Hse, Eadling Farm & Marengo – maiden, half-sister to G1 winner Falco 56. INFALLIBLE (GB) – Cheveley Park Stud – G3 winner, G1 placed 57. ISLA CANELA (USA) - no owner given – winner, dam G1 winner Islington 58. KALAMBA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – dam of G1 winner Kalanisi 59. KAREEMAH (IRE) – Shadwell – Listed winner, half sister to G1 winner Lahudood 60. KARMIFIRA – Forenaghts Stud & Dermot Cantillon – Listed winner, G1 placed, dam of G1 placed On Verra 61. KATDOGAWN (GB) – Thistle Bloodstock – G2 winner, G1 placed 62. KEY CHANGE (IRE) – Newberry Stud Company – G1 winner, dam of G1 hurdle winner Pittoni 63. LADY LUCK (IRE) – Moyglare Stud Farm – winner, dam of G1 winner Casual Conquest 64. LIGHT OF MORN (GB) – George Strawbridge – winner, half sister to Classic Cliché out of G1 winning dam, 65. LOOK HERE (GB) – Lawn Stud (also covered by Danehill Dancer) – G1 Oaks Winner 66. LOVE DIVINE (GB) – Lordship Stud – G1 Oaks winner, dam of G1 winner Sixties Icon 67. LOVE TO DANCE (IRE) – Copeshill Stables – maiden, half-sister to G1 winners Dylan Thomas and Queen’s Logic 68. LUMINARIA (IRE) – J S Bolger – unraced, half sister to G1 placed Luminata 69. LUSH LASHES (GB) - no owner given – G1 winner 70. MAGICAL ROMANCE (IRE) – Kincorth Investments – G1 winner 71. MAID OF KILLEEN (IRE) – Lady Bamford – winner, dam of G1 winner Indian Ink 72. MAOINEACH (USA) - no owner given – G3 winner from family of KY Oaks winner Dispute 73. MARIE RHEINBERG (GER) – Team Hogdala AB – dam of G1 winner Le Havre 74. MASKAYA (IRE) – Epona Bloodstock & P A Byrne – half sister to G1 winner Danaskaya, dam of G1 placed Drumbeat 75. MINTLY FRESH (USA) – HH Aga Khan – Listed placed, dam of G2 winner, G1 placed Manighar 76. MISS HAWAI (FR) – D G Hardisty Bloodstock – unraced, dam of G1 placed Bunny Beach 77. MISS UNIVERSE (IRE) – Stratford Place Stud – winner & Listed placed, dam of G1 winner Donativum 78. MODEL QUEEN (USA) – Highclere Stud & HMH Management – winner out of half sister to the dam of Zafonic, dam of G1 winner Regal Parade 79. MOOD SWINGS (IRE) – A Stroud & J Hanly – winner, dam of G3 winner Grand Ducal 80. MOONLIGHT’S BOX (USA) – Niarchos Family – from excellent family, out of half-sister to Machiavellian, dam of G1 Arc winner Bago 81. MRS LINDSAY (USA) – Derry Meeting Farm – dual G1 winner, 82. MRS MARSH (GB) – S F Bloodstock – unraced, dam of multiple G1 winner Canford Cliffs 83. MULTICOLOUR WAVE (IRE) – Pier House Stud – dam of G1 winner Elusive Wave 84. MUSICAL TREAT (IRE) – Rathbarry Stud – winner, Listed placed, dam of G1 winner Finsceal Beo and G2 winner Frozen Power 85. MY BRANCH (GB) – Bjorn Nielsen – Listed winner, G1 placed, dam of G1 winner Tante Rose 86. MY DUBAI (IRE) – Darley – maiden half-sister to G1 winner and Ch 1st Season Sire Iffraaj by Dubai Millennium, dam of a winner 87. NASHMIAH (IRE) – Rabbah Bloodstock – Listed winner 88. NATIVE FORCE (IRE) – Peter McCutcheon – winner, dam of G1 winner Kingsgate Native 89. NAVAJO MOON (IRE) – S F Bloodstock – Listed winner 90. NEBRASKA TORNADO (USA) – Juddmonte Farms – dual G1 winner 91. NEW MORNING (IRE) – Darley – G3 winner, sister to G1 winner Islington 92. NIGHT FAIRY (IRE) – Sunderland Holdings – winner, sister to Fairy of the Night, half sister to G3 winner Dress Rehersal 93. NORDHOCK (USA) – Richard Frisby Bloodstock – winner, half sister to G1 winner Mastercraftsman 94. PALMERAIE (USA) – Bjorn Nielsen – dam of G3 winner Place Rouge and G2 winner, G1 placed Pushkin 95. PREMIERE CREATION (FR) – Prestonwood Farms – winner, G1 placed, dam of G3 winner Leo’s Starlet and G1 placed Anabaa’s Creation 96. QUEEN’S LOGIC (IRE) – Rabbah Bloodstock – unbeaten G1 winner, half-sister to G1 winner Dylan Thomas, dam of G2 winner, G1 placed Lady of the Desert 97. QUE PUNTUAL (ARG) – Earle Mack – G1 winner in Argentina 98. QUILANGA (GER) – Gestut Fahrhof – G3 winner, daughter of GER 1,000 Guineas winner 99. QURRAH (IRE) – Shadwell – maiden half sister to G1 winner Virginia Waters 100. RAFHA (GB) – Nawara Stud Co Ltd – G1 winner, dam of G1 winner and top sire Invincible Spirit ...Cont
101. RAMONA (GB) – John Connaughton – unraced half sister to G1 placed Cassandra Go and G1 placed Verglas, dam of G3 winner Prima Luce 102. RED BLOOM (GB) – Cheveley Park Stud – G2 winner, G1 placed 103. RIPPLES MAID (GB) – Redland Bloodstock Ltd – Listed winner, half sister to G3 winner Peak to Creak 104. ROSA DEL DUBAI (IRE) – Az Ag Francesca – G3 winner, out of G1 placed dam 105. SACARINA (GB) – Gestut Karlshof – dam of three G1 winners – Schiaparelli, Samum and Salve Regina 106. SACRED SONG (USA) – Niarchos Family – G3 winner, G1 placed, dam of G2 winner Multidimensional 107. SADIMA (IRE) – Frank Dunne – winner, dam of G1 Creachadoir and G1 placed Youmzain 108. SANTA TERESITA (USA) - no owner given – US G1 winner 109. SANWA (GER) – Breeding Capital – unraced daughter of Sacarina (see above) 110. SCRIBONIA (IRE) – J S Bolger – unraced, dam of G1 placed Cuis Ghaire and G1 placed Gile Na Greine 111. SENORA GALILEI (IRE) – J S Bolger – winner, full sister to G1 winner Teofilo 112. SEWARDS FOLLY – Salah Al Homaizi – maiden, dam of G2 winner Sayif 113. SHEMAYA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – Listed winner, half-sister to G3 winner, G2 placed Shemima 114. SILENT HEIR (AUS) – Breeding Capital & Swettenham Stud – winner, out of a half sister to New Approach, dam of G3 winner Young Pretender 115. SOINLOVEWITHYOU (USA) – W de Burgh & Hill N Dale Equine Holding – winning half-sister to G1 winner Duke of Marmalade 116. SONG (IRE) – Paulyn Ltd – unraced half-sister to G1 winners Yesterday, Quarter Moon and G1 placed All My Loving 117. SOPRAN LONDA (IRE) – Leonardo Ciampoli – G2 winner, dam of G1 winner Cima de Triomphe 118. SPECIFICALLY (USA) - Newsells Park Stud – winner, half sister to G1 winner Pride, dam of G1 winner Speciosa 119. SPECIOSA (IRE) – M H Sly, Dr T Davies & Mrs P Sly – G1 winner 120. SPEED SONG (GB) – Sunderland Holdings – winner, half-sister to G3 winner Enticing, out of G1 placed Superstar Leo 121. SPIRIT OF TARA (IRE) – Kilcarn Stud – G2 placed, half-sister to G1 winners Marju and Salsabil, dam of G2 winner & Echo of Light 122. STARLIGHT DREAMS (USA) – S F Bloodstock – winner, dam of 4 time G1 winner Mastercraftsman 123. STRAIGHT LASS (IRE) – Serge Boucheron – unraced, dam of G1 winner Naaqoos and G3 winner Barastraight 124. SUGAR FREE (IRE) - no owner given – Listed winner, out of G2 winner, G1 placed dam 125. TAMARIND (IRE) - no owner given – G3 winner, sister to G2 winner Crimson Tide, out of half-sister to Shahrastani 126. TARIYSHA (IRE) – Corduff Bloodstock & Yellow Bird Synd – unraced, dam of G1 winner Arcano 127. TIME ON (GB) – W & R Barnett – G2 winner out of G1 placed dam 128. TREASURE THE LADY (IRE) – S Coughlan – winner, half-sister to multiple G1 winner High Chaparral 129. UNILATERAL (IRE) - no owner given – G3 winner, G2 placed ¾ sister to top sire Danehill Dancer 130. UIMHIR A HAON (IRE) – M Ryan – winner, G3 placed, half-sister to G1 winner Maids Causeway 131. VADAZA (FR) – HH Aga Khan – Listed placed, dam of G1 winner Vadawina 132. VERBA (FR) - no owner given – Listed winner, G3 placed, half-sister to G1 placed Ximb 133. VIRTUOSITY (GB) – Cheveley Park Stud – winner, half-sister to G2 winner, G1 placed Iceman 134. VODKA (JPN) - no owner given – 7 time G1 winner 135. WADUD (GB) – Taihei Stud Farm – maiden, dam of G1 placed Ice Queen 136. WALKAMIA (FR) – Ballygallon Stud – G3 winner, G1 placed 137. YUMMY MUMMY (GB) – Newsells Park Stud – winner, half-sister to G1 winner Fame and Glory 138. ZARKASHA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – unraced half-sister to G3 winner Zarkiya, dam of unbeaten G1 winner Zarkava 139. ZARKAVA (IRE) – HH Aga Khan – unbeaten 5 time G1 winner 140. ZIBILENE (GB) – Barouche Stud – winner, half-sister to G1 winners Barathea and Gossamer His first foals will start arriving in mid-late January but it will be this time next year before we have a full list of foals born to these mares – we already know that LUSH LASHES has lost her pregnancy. To give you an overview, his book contains no less than: 21 G1 winners 10 G1 placed mares 2 G2 winners 7 G3 winners 39 dams of G1 winners 10 dams of G1 placed horses 24 half-sisters to G1 winners A very impressive book of mares, but there will be no excuses if he does not produce the goods!
Hi PN, Unlikely old Canford will attract such a hareem as STS,but curious as to what you think his fee will be,given his relatively uninspiring pedigree. Would it even be 10-15K? Thanks.
Dexter, I expect they'll pitch him in at about €20-€25k to be honest. They set MASTERCRAFTSMAN's fee at €17,500 for his first season this year if you want to use him as a comparison. His pedigree doesn't fill me with confidence that's for sure! Nass, I've checked in with some contacts re the Medaglia D'Oro and they tell me that it is not in training at the moment but that they are in the process of naming it. lcooper - according to Racing Post, DANCOURT was sold in Dubai in March of this year for UAE15,000. Presumably he is still out there: http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/dam/dam_home.sd?horse_id=98909#damTabs=dam_progeny_sales Back to your original question tidal it is very difficult to find statistics relating to specific age groups of horses. What tends to happen is that the stallion's are grouped by their year of retirement, so you'll get charts showing 1st crop sires, 2nd crop sires, etc. The 1st crop sires are easily available on the Racing Post website. According to the latest tables I have the 2nd and 3rd crop sires are as follows: 2nd Crop Sires in Europe (oldest crop 3) (as at 31/07/11) Top 10 in order of prize money Holy Roman Emperor £985,022 Hurricane Run £895,120 Aussie Rules £617,968 Shirocco £548,542 Cacique £518,159 Iffraaj £443,338 Iceman £341,937 Layman £319,455 Hurricane Cat £261,091 Ad Valorem £242,463 3rd Crop Sires (oldest crop 4) (as at 24/07/11) Dubawi £1,464,841 Shamardal £1,102,647 Oratorio £939,763 Footstepsinthesand £663,626 Whipper £640,819 Azamour £596,565 Motivator £468,800 Antonius Pius £377,350 Pastoral Pursuits £372,009 Doyen £366,048
Cheers PN. As a follow up, why would you buy a horse at the breeze ups and not put it straight into training? Surely its not going to be a NH Store!!
Some of the breeze up horses are just pushed too hard to look good for the sale. In theory you are buying a horse that is ready to run, indeed one horse sold at the Doncaster Breeze Up this year came with an entry in a race a few days later! I'll have to look it up to see if it ran or not. Some horses do come out very quickly after their sale, but others are not the finished article and need more time. Just as an aside, when I say the horse is not in training, it does not mean that it is not in a yard somewhere. The trainers have to file a report on (I think) a monthly basis of all horses in work, if a horse has some time off for whatever reason they will not be listed in that months "in training" list.
The one that ran the day after the sale was The Dancing Lord I believe. Cheers for the info. Do you have access to gelding dates?
