On the back page of the Evening Standard last night Arsene Wenger is quoted as saying: So if 3 losses on the trot is a mini crisis for Arsenal football club, I put it to you that the worst start in 58 years was, without a doubt, a full crisis ! Lets put an end to the pretence, once and for all !!!
Well it isn't as though we were at the lower reaches of the table or facing the visit of the bailiffs but it surely isn't rosy by any stretch of the imagination, is it? A gradual slide from contention, slipping from a top two place to third and then fourth and now, not even that. A side that goes out to each match starting quite brilliantly at times, showing intent but unable to finish and certainly showing no ability to close out a game. A side that goes out and when things don't work out, end up not knowing how to work things out. A club where the owners and directors preside over performances that lead to nowhere except a downward slope, where investment that is needed is not forthcoming, where reliance on the future is placed on a set of rules that is yet to be in place. A club that hopes for the best while facing the worst but clueless about going about being the best again or even being amongst the best. I would agree Mr Head. If this is not some sort of crisis, what is it?
Robin .. I just want the you know who's to admit we were in crisis No point dwelling in the past, I'm happy to move forward, but you can't say you have a clean house when your front room is tidy but the back room is minging
I think it was a figure of speech, rather than an admission that Arsenal were in crisis in it's true sense of the word.
Stop skirting the issue. If 3 losses on the trot is classed as a mini crisis by Wenger, do you agree that our START TO THE SEASON must therefore have been a full crisis ?
I think you could describe a 3 game losing streak as a 'mini crisis' you could also describe it as a 'bad patch' - Both are not the same thing as saying that our club are in a 'full blown crisis' I think most who understand the context of this, understand the difference in the semantics
More slippery than a sex mad jellied eel smothered in KY Jelly PISKIE !!! Ok, the question is not about the 3 game mini crisis, it is about the worst start for 58 years. If a 3 game losing streak is a mini crisis, then relatively speaking, our START must've been a full blown crisis, right ?
I think it does come down to semantics, if you look at the question intelligently. If you were to ask Wenger if he felt we were in a 'full blown crisis' - I think you would find that he would say 'no'
I think this thread highlights the problem with you PISKIE. It is noble to stick to your guns, but it is madness to do so even though you are wrong. A simple admission that you were wrong would've gone down a treat here, some of the more positive people on the board who I've argued with have come out in recent days and admitted where they stand honestly with the club and I have a new found respect for them, Bonstar, Toledo and Half Full - who I found to be major pains in the butt, make no mistake. But all you have done is confirm the opinion that many of us have of you. You shouldn't be wrong and strong PISKIE
Worst start in 50+ years. Lost two experienced players without properly replacing. Real possibility of missing champions league for the first time in 15 years? 2 wins out of your last 8? That's a crisis. Plus, even though you are in the Champions League, nobody actually thinks you will win it. Previous seasons, Arsenal played with such style and belief that you would at least fancy them until the Semis. But current form and the current team mean that it's hard to see you winning it, or making it to the final. That being said, I hope you do, while besting Barca along the way. Want an English team to win it, and rather Arsenal than Chelsea.
Like I said, I think it comes down to semantics. We had a terrible start, but I wouldn't have called it a crisis, because of the circumstances; we had new players in unfamiliar positions all thrown together, right at the start of the season. So it wasn't unsurprising that we struggled. That said, we knew that we had players coming back and that our new players would settle, so for those reasons it wasn't a crisis. Wenger's description 'mini crisis' could just as easily be supplanted with 'rough patch' or 'bad run' which would have been more accurate descriptions in my opinion than the true meaning of crisis. Although 'mini' suggests that's it's Wenger's attempts at suggesting it was something less than what is being suggested here. I would say that a team like Wigan are in crisis, teams like Portsmouth and Darlington in 'full blown' crisis. Arsenal, far from it in my opinion.
Dear gentle people, this thread was started with no other aim than to score points against a fellow poster & cause yet another argument. Why is it so important to 'get one over' someone else on here? Chill dudes
