Year after year we get promoted clubs shouting the odds about how they're changing the status quo. In reality clubs come and go like the wind. Blackpool, Barnsley, Portsmouth, etc have all 'burned brightly' then faded back from whence they came. Wigan are now 3 points from the relegation places having been beaten at home by Ipswich. A crowd of 12,000 says it all ........ I remember when Wigan supporters were telling us how they were replacing the likes of Sunderland. They come and go these clubs ......... spend big, gather debt then fade away. Gates of 20,000 or less can't sustain life in the PL on a long term basis ..... and that's a fact.
I watched a bit of the game and they looked half decent in patches. I rate Rosler as a gaffer and I think they'll get a grip and be close to the play offs again. Now, Fulham on the other hand....
Used to be a decent club but 'sold out' recently and I doubt many will mourn their 'passing' tbh. Al Fayed was hailed as a hero but he's just a fraud.
They are in massive **** mate, I'm sure I read they are £300 million in debt. They cannot sustain that, surely?
I read somewhere that Bolton are about £160 million in debt too. It troubles me a bit, because I'm of the generation that loved watching Nat Lofthouse play at Roker. I'd hate to see them fold, but I can't for the life of me see how a club that size can ever get out of it. I hope to god I'm wrong.
One club will go to the wall soon. These clubs who spend fortunes on wages for players to stay or try to get in the PM are playing Russian Roulette with their clubs future. QPR I reckon would have been one club in dire problems had they not scored a last minute winner in the play offs to gain promotion. But I do fear for the likes of Bolton, Fulham, Blackburn, Blackpool and Birmingham all clubs with massive debt issues and no real chance of getting back into the PL anytime soon
The whole thing is crumbling and once panic sets in we'll see the whole thing collapse as GG mentioned. The Premier/Champions League is sucking the life & money out of the lower leagues and destroying 100 years of football. Clubs like Fulham, Portsmouth, Leeds, Hull, Cardiff, QPR, who see people come in with no sustainable long term plan, will eventually implode. It's frustrating when we think Short is being too cautious but Leeds were a much bigger club recently and they're a bit of a joke now. No wonder Newcastle, Villa etc are struggling to find any interested parties.
yeh you can go deeper the likes of OXFORD,LUTON,WREXHAM CHESTER and to a lesser extent charlton and luton where are they now
You can add Portsmouth in there as well, its scarry, we need the money to be filtered down into the lower leagues to sustain our heritage. It is a really important part of our social fabric, just like the traditional English pubs covered on another thread, these things like the railway system once gone will never return and we will all be the poorer.
I won't be losing any sleep over these clubs that have over extended themselves by chasing the dream! It is an outrage quite frankly that the clubs that are relegated from the Premiership all receive huge parachute payments over four years! How is this fair on clubs like my own who have to operate each year on a tight budget? Thank god we have Mick McCarthy in charge of our club the guy is working bloody marvels with us but I have no sympathy at all with the Wigans, Fulhams and Portsmouths of this world. They lived the dream overspent and now they must face the consequences!
I agree with much of what you say. However, the supporters are 'innocent prawns' in all of this ...... are the Hull supporters to blame for the garden path they're being lead down? The temptation for any 2nd division club must be to spend their way into the PL, cop the big money & cross their fingers. But sustaining high wages & big contracts on borrowed money & 20,000 gates can't work long term. The whole thing stinks tbh.
I understand your argument and am pleased to hear of Mick Macks success he is a good man, who has had some bad luck in the past, but if the money was filtered down the leagues a bit more fairly all teams including yours would benefit, I think this is the gist of this thread. We dont want anymore Oligarchs of any ilk buying success at all costs and ruining football across the board.
Mick is doing a mighty fine job and we are so lucky to have him. Our club is owned by a reclusive millionaire who let's Mick run everything and basically just let's him get on with it. We turned down bids of £11Million for two of our players in the Summer and we sold Cresswell for £3.5 Million. We haven't paid any fees for a player since Mick arrived 2 years ago as the owner is obsessed with sticking to the FFP rules. The team we have has cost nothing but at the same time you see clubs like Forest splashing millions! I don't know how they think they can get away with it in the long term. I'm very pleased with how our club is being run in a sensible way and I realise that there is no quick fix so it does piss me off when other clubs just want to chuck money around basically gambling on their futures. Sorry for the long winded reply!
I think we'd all like to see Mick Mc get back up, he did as well as anyone could and left with no bad feeling whatsoever. Solid start you lads have had.
You know mate, Mick had a ****ing impossible task here, he did literally nothing wrong, he was just here at a very black time for the club. We all knew that, and I love the bloke, straight as a die is Mick, not many like him at all. Got ****ed over by Wolves as well.
Yep, left in a classy and dignified manner, if I recall along the lines of 'yeah, I've enjoyed it but it's been tough and I haven't been able to make it work...'. He could have bleated about getting us up with 14p, then having 27p to plan a survival bid, he didn't. I remember he mentioned the budget issues a couple years after, but still he did in a no fuss, no excuses way. He was, still is, a top bloke Mick. Always quite liked Ipswich as well, noisy ****ers. Bastard to get to mind, I remember ending up in ****ing Ely one year driving down there not entirely recovered from the previous evening, ha.
Makes you wonder what would happen if the bloke was ever given some money to spend and a 5 year contract.
