bonsoir again peeps i must admit watching a real great in any sport really excites me , infact that on occasion has drawn me toward a sport more than the sport itself and to be honest i love watching the likes of messi and floyd mayweather and in the past viv richards strutting there stuff probally more than i actually enjoy watching football , cricket and boxing , the more i watch vettel the more i think he may be the next great driver , i for one dont believe red bull have been in front of mclaren very often this season , i tend to think in general with the odd exception the performance levels of both teams have been similiar all season , in fact i believe mclaren as they have sometimes had this season have the advantage this weekend at abu dhabi and yet vettel once again can still pull a rabbit out of the hat when it matters in qualifying , the significant thing is he is still only 24 and will continue to use his impressive intelligence to soak up knowledge like a sponge and will use that knowledge to become even more formidable in the next couple of years - must admit folks this boy is starting to excite me -- am i talking gibberish or does anybody else see the wider picture that i am beginning to see with vettel --
good? of course. GREAT? Hmmm - maybe. Another 3 good seasons in an indifferent car will show how good he is.
Well he was less than spectacular in lower formulas, and it's very hard to judge a driver in an incredible car with a ****ty teammate. I've seen mistakes in his "incredible" pole laps... they aren't entirely awesome laps, just his car is. We'll see if RBR dare partner him with another top driver. Or he'll be Schuied. He's not that great according to my standards though. Who knows?
Corrected . Vettel is one of the best drivers on the grid and with probably only Alonso being better than him. But it is also hard to judge Vettel because for the last three seasons he has been in the fastest car. In my opinion RB7>RB6>RB5 and RB7>MP4-26, RB6>MP4-25 and F10, RB5>BGP 001. The Red Bull team is also clearly built around him with Webber just being there to help get points for the WCC and not to challenge Vettel. However this does not diminish Vettel's ability and achievements, he is the best qualifier on the grid and has been the best driver this season. But it is premature to think of him being a 'great', we need to see how he performs compared to Alonso and the likes in a car that is roughly on the same performance level.
nothing wrong with webber as he was fairly good last year , no driver has a complete talent bypass from one season to the next --
the point i am making dan is in my humble belief the red bull is no more " incredible " than the mclaren and yet vettel is decimating both mclaren drivers who themselves are not exactly a pair of chocolate tea pots -
Seems pretty wishful thinking really. Especially when you consider a journeyman nearly dicked on him last season. His record seems to have a discontinuity this season - he's not done anything absolutely incredible(Monza 2008 had many extenuating circumstances). This year he's been incredible. We can say he's either become a living god, moving an average car to look like a world beater, or he's got the best car designed around himself. It's one of the 2.
i must admit i dont think there is much between alonso and vettel , however vettel is 7 yrs younger and would seem to be improving year by year where as alonso reached his peak some years ago - what makes you think the car is built around vettel as newey in the past has allways built fairly neutral chassis"s --
Playing devils advocate, it could be argued the car is built around Webber to an extent. Being the taller driver, the car has to be designed initially to fit him, without a big impact on aero, etc. Without Webber in the team, could Newey have packaged things differently, used a shorter wheelbase, (I'm no engineer, I don't know whats good!), etc, to further improve the Red Bull?
there is no doubt the red bull is very competitive and as we all know when a driver wins his first WDC he moves up several levels especially in confidence , and that in my opinion is what we have seen with vettel this season , combine this with his obvious intelligence that also seems to be improving every year and to me he just seems to be getting better every year , i never thought i would see any driver decimate hamilton and button in the fashion that vettel has in a machine of similiar performance - but that in my humble opinion is exactly what i think i am seeing with the boy vettel --
Well I do not think anyone can argue that Vettel is the favoured son at Red Bull, they want to break records with him so they are going to build the car around Vettel's driving style and preferences. Just look at last year, I know Vettel had a few retirements but the performance gap between him and Webber was still quite small and yet this year suddenly bam Vettel is a country mile better than Webber. I know winning the WDC will of given him confidence and he is a better driver than Webber, plus Webber has not quite got a handle on the tyres but there is still something else there to account for the sudden chasm between the two drivers. Last year around midseason Webber was beating Vettel because he could handle the off-throttle diffuser blowing much better than Vettel so Red Bull brought in some software to change it and that took away Webber's advantage. Horner has also said that Red Bull are building the team around Vettel: Horner has also said that the RB6 was designed around Vettel:
it is only natural that red bull see vettel and maybe one of the younger drivers as there future , but exactly where does it say that the chassis has been built aroung vettel ---
cant agree with you dan , the performances of hamilton button and webber in the red bull and mclaren have been there for everybody to see in comparison to vettel --
In most qualifying sessions this year, Red Bull have been the best and Vettel takes a comfortable pole position, and as someone has said, he sometimes makes mistakes but still takes pole. But then there are places like Malaysia, Monaco, Hungary, Japan and Abu Dhabi - places where Vettel takes pole despite McLaren having the better car on Saturdays. That tells me that Vettel is better over one lap than Hamilton and Button. Overall though I don't see that as greatness. For now I have to say he's the best driver in qualifying, but if he wasn't driving a tailor-made chassis, would his performances start looking average? I really want to see what he can do in a mediocre car. Sebastien "slow" Bourdais outqualified him more times in 2008 than Mark "qualifying specialist" Webber did in 2009. Strange...
cant agree with you forza - if red bull was so superiour in qualifying webber would also be putting it over the mclaren boys , as i said i dont believe any driver has a mysterious talent by pass from one season to the next , maybe i have missed something forza but since when has newey ever built vettel " a tailor made chassis " -
As usual I'm reaching for the conspiracy theory to say that Vettel always has just a wee bit more car than Webber.
