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Are these long contracts the problem?

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by TurkeyToon, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. TurkeyToon

    TurkeyToon Active Member

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    I was thinking the other day, rather than giving players long 5-6 year contracts, from now on just give them 1 year contracts with large wages. It seems to me that so many players, once they have signed a 6 year contract, play their hearts out for a season then drop off, cos they are expecting their agent to engineer a new move to a bigger club. If they only had one year contracts they would have to play their hearts out, year on year, to make sure they were playing continually. If they played well they another bigger club may come in and pay them more money. Then it is up to them if they want to move on or not. No more transfer fees. If it looked like they were just hanging around for the big pay cheque, clubs would not pay them so well. If it looked like they were playing for pride and passion then clubs would pay them well.

    Just a thought. Have not really thought it through yet, so dont know if it is a load of bollllocks.

    Just sick of watching players going through the motions and picking up £40000 a week for doing nowt!!
     
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  2. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Short contracts mean zero sell on.
    Fat Mike would never do that as it is commercial suicide.
     
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  3. TurkeyToon

    TurkeyToon Active Member

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    But long contracts mean the players dont give a monkeys after a few seasons, they are never going to stay for 6 years, unless they are shiiite!!!
     
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  4. Toon_Man_Sam1

    Toon_Man_Sam1 Well-Known Member

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    The longest contracts we should be offering should be 3-4 years MAX.

    I also think (although very hard to implement) Each player should have a maximum starting weekly salary of 20-30k a week and the enchancements or incentives making up the rest of the contract, say 5-10k per goal, 5-10k per appearance. 2k if their passing % is over 90% 5K clean sheet bonus, 5-10k per assist

    In a negotiation stage it would be difficult to attarct players, especially when the likes of Swansea and West ham are competing for the same players and offering an all in weekly wage of say £75k and our offer is £75K but only if they perform.

    I think if this could be implemented though, you would see a definate change in players performance and 100% more effort. litterally the level of their performance would determine how much they earn.

    The same should be impletemented for MPs too!
     
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  5. TurkeyToon

    TurkeyToon Active Member

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    Managers are sacked if their performance is not up to standard over a season, why should players be different? Too many players are now just using our club as a jumping off point for better things. We had far better players on the pitch, on paper, than Leicester on Saturday. Why did they not perform? Is it because half of our players are thinking of pastures green next season or is it because our manager is not very good? I think it is a fatal combination of both!!
     
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  6. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

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    I don't think long contracts are the problem.
    The problem is the lack of competition. If you know you are going to start irrespective of how you play, you are quite happy to pick up your wages. I'd fine the ****s personally. But I'd be a twat. I'd fine the whole squad if 3-4 players put in shocking performances. All of them play ****, I'd fine them a months wages.
     
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  7. TurkeyToon

    TurkeyToon Active Member

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    Agree... player power has ended when your players are shiiite!! If your team-mate is playing shiiite, beat the shiiite out of him verbally. Too many of these foreign players have never been really shouted at!!! Listen Sissoko, Tiote, Collocini, most games you are effing awful!!! Do you care what I think? NO!! thought not. That is the problem. They do not give a toss! Give me a team of Championship/League one/League two players, anyday ,over this mob. They will try their best, thats all we ask.
    Season is over now, as far as I am bothered. I don`t care either way if we stay up or go down, Nowt will change. I will still support my club as ever but.... ASHLEY OUT!!!
     
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  8. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    4 years is about right. How can anyone know how a player will be fairing in 6 years? Not even close to being THE problem though.
     
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  9. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I'd say there are far bigger problems than contracts. Quality is one problem. We moved in the right direction with Mbemba, Mitrovic and Gini. Thauvin though I think is indicative of where some of troubles lie. We have swapped Cabella for a carbon copy. At least Cabella had had a year to adapt. Realistically though neither were great buys.

    We also have a lack of character. Again I think Mitro, Mbemba and Gini are made of better material.

    We don't have enough domestic players. When you shop in the market we do i.e. not the top bracket, I think you should go with players who know the league over a load of foreign players with potential better quality or possibly a perceived better technique (which tends to be a fallacy under scrutiny of the pace of the game here). if you are buying top level players its slightly different, as their quality tends to overcome some of the issues although as seen with the likes of Depay, even that is not a short term guarantee.

    If we'd gone and got the at the time out of favour Lucas, Cabaye, Austin, Mings and a Shawcross type in the summer, would we be in the trouble we are now? Probably not. You'd have genuine leaders and players who knew how to deliver in this league or country. I might be wrong but I suspect not.

    It certainly made no sense to dump Kemen and Abeid who were at least used to the game here. We look a bit stupid now.
     
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  10. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Long contracts are only a problem if you give them to the wrong players. It seems we give them because we think we have gambled right and got a good un who will have a fantastic season and then will be tempted by offers from bigger clubs and we can cash in because we have him tied down. Its called the Cabaye/Debuchy template. Unfortunately we made some very bad choices over the last 2 seasons - exhibit number 1: Emmanuel Riviere - a player so **** we can't even be bothered to get him the operation he obviously needs.
    We should be going with maximum 3 years contracts at a relatively low basic but with large performance bonuses and then if they play well Year 1 offering them a well-paid new 3-4 year contract..
     
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  11. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    Kemen wante out
    Other clubs will offer them longer contracts on higher basic wages though, which means it really comes down to scouting better and stop going for risky players. Anyone would think the brief Graham Carr is given is "go out and find players with injury problems".
     
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  12. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I think Kemen only wanted out because he knew the likes of Anita and Colback were ahead of him plus Tiote.
     
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  13. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

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    Abeid was far better than all three.
     
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  14. Captainchaos.

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    What you on about we expect to win the league!
     
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