sorry for the over the top headline OLM and PT, but I find it interesting how, on another thread, the discussion has turned from whether we should trust the Allams to whether Nick and Adam are up-to-the job to should we trust OLM and PT. The words 'scapegoats' springs to mind. Hahaha. No offence mate.....
I've made one of these comments you refer to, but its not a slant against PT & OLM, merely pointing out that their sources may have a bias & sympathy towards NB & AP, therefore the info they get fed will not be impartial.
I dont think the comments are about trusting OLM & PT. Like people have said they often do make the correct call and give us a heads up. But any information they do provide I see as "I've heard X,Y,Z" rather than "This is Definitely X,Y,Z". Other posters then take this to insult and dismiss other peoples opinions and views on matter, people who also read the same information from everyone and maybe see things slightly differently. Some people need to realise that insider information is not gospel and in cases like this there is bound to be some opinion passed along with the information. Which seems to be negative towards the owners. Like I said it could turn out it is the owners, and they are having a power trip. But then again we may see in a few weeks that the owners have set us up ready for a successful campaign. No one knows, not even the "insiders"
I believe OLM and PT are correct in everything the say (in terms of fact not opinion ) However their 'sources' I believe come from AP and NB level and below (if that makes sense). Things don't add up from January one way or another. I believe this confusion for us fans come from things which went on between the owners, Adam and Nick which we aren't fully privy to and I doubt we ever will be. We know Nick stepped on toes. If it wasn't Nick it might have been a acceptable sacking offence. We know the Allams haven't gone about it in the best of ways.
I think I am quite capable of making my own mind up without too much influence from others. My views are based on how I see things happening and who I trust. Reading the article today I just think the Allams may as well have had someone reading these message boards to alert them to what will turn opinions round in their favour. Its just the way Billy Sharp was plucked out of the air, with Assam saying that this was a name they had heard. Really are those people you want to negotiate signings. Other things people not on this board have said to me make me suspicious as well. I want to hear Nick and Adam's side, I am prepared to believe that Nick was very stubborn and also prepared to believe that the Allam's think they have the best interest of the club at heart but its still all wrong.
Nobody will deny that Nick Barmby is stubborn. That is his main fault. imo,. But his longing for Hull City to do well is as strong or maybe stronger than any Hull City fans.
Agree with this and I think that if he had changed the squad in March for a couple of games to give the main players a rest we may have been in the playoffs now and he might have a job still,let's face it some of the players looked shattered at the end. He should have thrown in a second team for at least 2 of the games but that may have been just a Mad Mick moment that comes with experience.
Indeed. McKenna for one needed a rest but did not get one. He had to take a booking at Millwall for his rest due to suspension. I also feel that agreeing to the Pompey game date was a game far to far. Another mistake, imo.
i think it may well have been me who originally suggested they have not always been 100% correct. Then again, who is. After all 'the man who never made a mistake, made bugger all...' Indeed I have an idea who some of these sources are, and it goes to show that even the most informed amongst us can be proved wrong due to all sorts of variables. I do find it interesting though how far some of these threads can drift away from the original topic! I am sure that OLM has taken my comments here as no more than tongue in cheek. Edit: as you can see from the edit, I made a mistake and needed to correct it. Oooops! (Glass houses I suspect?)
At the risk of abuse because the forum police will get all pissy and "throw a benny" on me. I choose to believe what I want to, not what's fed to me by 2 blokes who actually arent sat in the clubs inner circle, no matter what some of you believe. I have the utmost respect for OLM, and his insights are on average, fairly good, I think metaphorically, he's too close to Adam and Nick for an unbiased view is all. I'm also curious about something, about all the people holding Nick up for sainthood. You're all claiming hes Hull born (well ok), Hull through and through, and only wants whats best for Hull. Well, when he was in his prime, and could have actually done us more good, where the hell was he? Oh I see, *that's* fine, he was looking after himself? Why shouldn't he? I agree. Both him and Adam should do what's best for themselves, just don't go trying to tell me they're bigger than the club eh?
Taken from another thread: "I understand that no confirmation as to Nicks position has been made because he is considering an alternative role and a new more experianced Manager will be brought in. TIME WILL TELL" Does everyone on this board have insider knowledge but me?
Obviously not as I for one have not seen that quote but have heard that it may be true tho, time will tell
I don't either (apart from I was given insider info that Cash Converters was going to be our sponsors)
Its certainly not what I hearing, NB is/has met with lawyers,with a disciplinary scheduled for later this week - hardly sounds like he has been offered another/lesser role.
I just don't see why what they have told us is being dismissed completely when they've almost always been right before. OLM has explained the situation in full - everything that happened since Nick took over, what happened in January and what has happened since and it all adds up. Whether people choose to believe the whole thing or not is up to them, but why is it being ignored or dismissed completely? What I mean is, there are threads at the moment where OLM has explained everything that has happened and then the next few comments are "I think this happened... bla bla" and it's the complete opposite of what he's just said. I don't get why we've all got to tone down our love for NB and AP and remember they aren't bigger than the club and all this, but the same doesn't seem to apply to the Allams who all of a sudden are really trustworthy? I just don't understand that.
