Worth a debate. Plod can with a search warrant come into your home look in your cupboards, draws, under your bed and into your computer, taking away whatever they want as evidence. Should they be allowed to look into your smart phone?
They don't want to look at anyone's smartphone, other than one terrorist nutter, I can't really see what all the fuss is about. I realise Apple are concerned it sets a precedent, but it's a one off, they're giving the phone to Apple to do everything in-house, they don't want any access to the technology (at least as far as I'm aware).
Not unless they have reasonable grounds to suspect criminal activity. But it doesn't matter what we think, they are secretly monitoring everyone, innocent or not already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora
Apple say they cannot, even if they wanted to unlock the phone , so what would be the next step ? in future a back door in the security system that would allow anyone access to a phone - possible even remotely . Apple do right TBF , the police got their suspects . apparently the terrorist changed the date on his phone to 1st jan 1970 before handing it to the police
If they're doing it for public good it's fine by me! It's like dna data! Or ID cards the only people who don't want it are bad uns. if they think there's anything on that phone that helps prevent another attack or helps catch some more terrorists it's a no brainer!
Heard this debate on Jeremy Vine earlier in the week - according to his show Apple don't, at this time, have the software to access this phone's data, they would have to develop it, it's something that they can do but, their argument was, once they've developed a programme for access the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.
Thats exactly what was said on R4 yesterday - that Apple have claimed they can't unlock it at present even if they wanted to,
Indeed, that's why they've been told they can have the phone, do everything in-house and not have to share any of the technology with anyone. I suspect they know exactly how to do it already and they're making a song and dance about it to make they get assurances that this won't become a common occurrence.
And as was said on Jeremy Vine, once (and if) this programme's developed it will be then possible to access the data of any iphone anywhere ............ every hacker in the world will be after it!
The problem is, once the programmes written, it can't be unwritten, keeping technology safe is virtually impossible.
Aye, that's similar to the bit I saw, where the Apple legal bods were pointing out the law relating to forcing a company to develop such programmes.
please tell me your not thinking privacy should be a thing from the past wtf is wrong with people today?>>>>>>>>>look with a fine and dandy government that works for the electorates best interests yes all should be fine and no one innocent person should have any worry,,,,,the trouble is we haven't got a fine and dandy government that works for our needs, these fking gravy train eton boys will stop at nothing 2 cream not only our hard earned monies out of our pockets but they even think our liberties should be eroded for the capitalist puppet masters, they certainly don't wont dissent from the people who are the masses at the end of the day(and why should they the rich have a great fking life), so they now keep an eye on us with the help of the hijacked internet....... so lets hope apple keeps its system locked for the sake of privacy for the majority of this weird world of ours.........tbh im not holding out much hope, the laws will be soon changed 2 supress us even more that's a guarantee .........all in the name of TERROR
YES they should.!!! Especially as the person concerned is a complete nutter. Apple should relent or be charged with helping this nutter. imho.
Just a small but significant point in bold. And how are they helping him considering he's been dead for months?
If this software gets developed then terrorists will just find another way of communicating. We'd lose our privacy for **** all. The chances of finding someone with leads to other terrorists on their phone are slim anyway, only a ****** would leave easy footprints to follow. The problem wouldn't be the technology getting out of Apple, but this 'back door' would have to be written in to the firmware of every device, leaving it there wide open for these hacker boffs to write their own code to get in and release it online. You could drop your phone or it could get stolen and any old ****er could have full access to your phone and any data saved on it. This sort of stuff is already out there for other phones, you can turn on people's cameras, microphones etc remotely and watch/listen in or do whatever you want with their phone so it wouldn't be revolutionary, but that's why Apple products are so much better than ****e like android as they're far more secure. Besides, they can access stuff such as messages, phone calls, facebook, twatter, photos that have been uploaded to the cloud anyway. Gaining access to the phone would just let them see how far the terrorist got on candy crush.
They want access to find out who he was communicating with and who was helping him, so they can arrest them and prevent any further terrorist attacks. In that way they're being helped, though claiming that constitutes Apple supporting terrorism is rather a stretch.
Is / Was. The point being Apple and any other company should help the authorities when it comes to violent crimes. If you have nothing to hide what is the issue ? However, any access should only be with a court order.
